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Blackmirror · 01-Oct-2008, 02:56 PM **#46**

I dont watch tv
Im sure youtube will have everything your heart desires

**valis** · 01-Oct-2008, 02:57 PM **#47**

grade 2 listed house? What the heck is that? You guys going Brazil over there or something?

SlackAli · 01-Oct-2008, 03:02 PM **#48**

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Originally Posted by Blackmirror

I dont watch tv
Im sure youtube will have everything your heart desires

Very droll - I hope

SlackAli · 01-Oct-2008, 03:09 PM **#49**

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Originally Posted by valis

grade 2 listed house? What the heck is that? You guys going Brazil over there or something?

"Listed" means it is of historical/architectural interest. Grade 1 is for your stately homes and Elizabethan mansions and palaces etc; Grade 2, like my crib, is lower but means I can't make changes to the outside of the house without incurring the wrath of the guardians of history. No great pain really - and has a certain kudos - but means I can't get HDTV or the satellite channels.

Brazil?

BlackSpike · 01-Oct-2008, 03:43 PM **#50**

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Originally Posted by bomb #21

RIAA says copying your own CDs is illegal

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12...pies_computer/

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Originally Posted by valis

in that case, it's illegal. I'm not entirely clear on that issue, as I used to record my albums all the time, and that seemed to be legal, so I dunno. Either way, when I buy a cd, it generally ends up on my pc rather quickly, as I do a lot of work in front of said pc, and prefer to have a playlist of 15k songs as opposed to 12.

The RIAA is not an arbiter of law. Just 'cus they say it, don't make it so.

From the Reg article:

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Update

The RIAA has since rubbished the Washington Post story as "wrong".

In a statement, the organisation said:"As numerous commentators have since discovered after taking the time to read our brief, the record companies did not allege that ripping a lawfully acquired CD to a computer or transferring a copy to an mp3 player is infringement.

"This case is about the illegal distribution of copyrighted songs on a peer-to-peer network, not making copies of legally acquired music for personal use."

The problem is with DISTRIBUTION.

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Originally Posted by slackali

Fellow UK residents: what do you feel about downloading American TV shows?

It is illegal, no question,

NOT TRUE.
What if I download an American TV show from an authorised distributor?
Virgin Media has a large list of shows to download:

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TV Choice on demand - Included with TV Size: XL, available for £7 a month with TV Size: M and L. Complete series to watch at your leisure - you can even watch them all in one go! Includes favourites for everyone such as Grey's Anatomy, The Sopranos, Life on Mars, Postman Pat and Planet Earth.

To address your moral "dilemma" of taking something illegally or going without, I suppose that depends upon your morals, but if you start applying "I can't get it legally, so getting it illegally is OK" to all and sundry, where do you stop?
"I can't get it legally because I'm too poor to buy it"
"I can't get it legally because it is illegal to own"
"I can't get it legally because the rights holder does not want it distributed"
etc.

**valis** · 01-Oct-2008, 04:05 PM **#51**

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Originally Posted by BlackSpike

The problem is with DISTRIBUTION.

sounds vaguely familiar....

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Originally Posted by me

I believe so, yes.....I think it's the 'redistribution' part that gets you in hot water.

oh yeah.....

**valis** · 01-Oct-2008, 04:07 PM **#52**

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Originally Posted by SlackAli

Brazil?

Shirley, you jest.

Brazil.

BlackSpike · 01-Oct-2008, 04:12 PM **#53**

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Originally Posted by valis

sounds vaguely familiar....

oh yeah.....

The bit that got me was "bomb said that the Reg said that the Washington Post said that the RIAA said ... "

valis's reply?
"It must be true then!"

Brazil is a fantastic film, and should be mandatory watching for all.

SlackAli · 01-Oct-2008, 04:28 PM **#54**

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Originally Posted by valis

Shirley, you jest.

Brazil.

Alright, got it now. Saw it once - it was rubbish

SlackAli · 01-Oct-2008, 04:33 PM **#55**

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Originally Posted by BlackSpike

To address your moral "dilemma" of taking something illegally or going without, I suppose that depends upon your morals, but if you start applying "I can't get it legally, so getting it illegally is OK" to all and sundry, where do you stop?
"I can't get it legally because I'm too poor to buy it"
"I can't get it legally because it is illegal to own"
"I can't get it legally because the rights holder does not want it distributed"
etc.

Thanks for pointing the way towards Virgin; should I ever feel my conscience is so stultified I need to throw money towards the likes of Branson I'll remember your advice.

And none of your categories fit my situation

**valis** · 01-Oct-2008, 05:11 PM **#56**

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Originally Posted by SlackAli

Alright, got it now. Saw it once - it was rubbish

please read the post above yours on this matter, and kindly refrain from calling one of the great masterpieces of celluloid (for which there are very, very few) 'rubbish'.

bomb #21 · 01-Oct-2008, 05:13 PM **#57**

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Originally Posted by BlackSpike

The RIAA is not an arbiter of law. Just 'cus they say it, don't make it so.

Like I said, speaks with forked tongue. Check the second link.

**valis** · 01-Oct-2008, 05:13 PM **#58**

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Originally Posted by BlackSpike

The bit that got me was "bomb said that the Reg said that the Washington Post said that the RIAA said ... "

valis's reply?
"It must be true then!"

yeah, well, sometimes I get lazy on certain things....

research can be such a bore.....

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Originally Posted by BlackSpike

Brazil is a fantastic film, and should be mandatory watching for all.

Thank you. Now soundly smack your countryman Slack about the neck and shoulders with a halibut until he concurs.....

BlackSpike · 01-Oct-2008, 05:18 PM **#59**

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Originally Posted by SlackAli

Thanks for pointing the way towards Virgin; should I ever feel my conscience is so stultified I need to throw money towards the likes of Branson I'll remember your advice.

And none of your categories fit my situation

Virgin is one of several examples of being able to download USA TV shows legally, in contrast to your statement. It was in no way meant to be a recommendation.

bomb #21 · 01-Oct-2008, 05:30 PM **#60**

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Originally Posted by BlackSpike

The bit that got me was "bomb said that the Reg said that the Washington Post said that the RIAA said ... "

valis's reply?
"It must be true then!"

The bit that got me was v saying "I also paid for the shirt once, the book once; doesn't mean that just because it got destroyed I can waltz in and a get a new one for free."

Fairly swiftly followed by "when I buy a cd, it generally ends up on my pc rather quickly" -- thereby minimising the chances of loss by destruction.

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