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**iltos** · 22-Oct-2008, 01:43 PM #1

a continuation from here

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Arctic sea ice now 28.7% higher than this date last year - still rallying

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The 2008 season strongly reinforces the thirty-year downward trend in Arctic ice extent. The 2008 September low was 34% below the long-term average from 1979 to 2000 and only 9% greater than the 2007 record (Figure 2). Because the 2008 low was so far below the September average, the negative trend in September extent has been pulled downward, from –10.7 % per decade to –11.7 % per decade (Figure 3).

not dropping anything but facts, Lan.....you may not have to follow around, but at least recognize the facts for what they are.

I think you skipped mine over because the source is reputable, and it directly goes against what you posted.

Wino · 22-Oct-2008, 01:46 PM #2

Jeez, couldn't you just close it?? It's been solved for three years.

brillser · 22-Oct-2008, 01:55 PM #3

By Wino,

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Jeez, couldn't you just close it?? It's been solved for three years.

What?

Lan, is that ice new ice?

**pyritechips** · 22-Oct-2008, 03:42 PM #4

Lan will not or cannot admit that year to year statistics are no proof for or against long-term climatic change. Either he can't admit it because he doesn't understand it or he won't admit it because if he did his entire argument collapses due to lack of evidence.

bryantms · 22-Oct-2008, 03:47 PM #5

Just jumping into the conversation here, but I've seen a lot of arguments that Professor Bob Carter addresses in this video lecture. Please check it out as he talks about how when you talk global temperatures, the 100-120 year time scale is not enough to conclude anything. One must look on geological time scales before you can truly say whether this will affect us. Give the videos a look and then let me know what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOLkze-9GcI - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN06JSi-SW8 - Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCXDISLXTaY - Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQQGFZHSno - Part 4

Jason08 · 22-Oct-2008, 03:49 PM #6

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Originally Posted by wino

jeez, couldn't you just close it?? It's been solved for three years.

lol!

**LANMaster** · 22-Oct-2008, 03:58 PM #7

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Originally Posted by pyritechips

Lan will not or cannot admit that year to year statistics are no proof for or against long-term climatic change. Either he can't admit it because he doesn't understand it or he won't admit it because if he did his entire argument collapses due to lack of evidence.

There are some clear indicators that the climate has turned a corner. Much to the DISMAY of many respected science outlets.
Admittedly, it will take a few years to be absolutely sure.

**LANMaster** · 22-Oct-2008, 03:59 PM #8

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By Wino,

What?

Lan, is that ice new ice?

It would have to be .... it is every year.

**valis** · 22-Oct-2008, 05:28 PM #9

just so it doesn't get overlooked:

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Originally Posted by valis

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Originally Posted by Lan

Arctic sea ice now 28.7% higher than this date last year - still rallying

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Originally Posted by valis

The 2008 season strongly reinforces the thirty-year downward trend in Arctic ice extent. The 2008 September low was 34% below the long-term average from 1979 to 2000 and only 9% greater than the 2007 record (Figure 2). Because the 2008 low was so far below the September average, the negative trend in September extent has been pulled downward, from –10.7 % per decade to –11.7 % per decade (Figure 3).

not dropping anything but facts, Lan.....you may not have to follow around, but at least recognize the facts for what they are.

I think you skipped mine over because the source is reputable, and it directly goes against what you posted.

**LANMaster** · 30-Oct-2008, 01:15 PM **#10**

Then and now. Snow in Switzerland

Dateline 2007 - Global warming threatens ski resort viability

Dateline today 2008. Record breaking snowfall causes delays.

Obama's not even elected yet and he's already rescued the snow in Switzerland.

**LANMaster** · 30-Oct-2008, 01:32 PM **#11**

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just so it doesn't get overlooked:

While the percentage may have been based on different data, the increase is the issue, not so much the amount.

**valis** · 30-Oct-2008, 02:27 PM **#12**

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Originally Posted by LANMaster

Then and now. Snow in Switzerland

Dateline 2007 - Global warming threatens ski resort viability

Dateline today 2008. Record breaking snowfall causes delays.

Obama's not even elected yet and he's already rescued the snow in Switzerland.

again, if you think that the difference of one year makes an iota of change in the global meteorological history, then you are a bigger fool than I thought.

That being said, however, I never thought you that big of a fool, so it's sort of a wash.

**LANMaster** · 30-Oct-2008, 02:38 PM **#13**

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again, if you think that the difference of one year makes an iota of change in the global meteorological history, then you are a bigger fool than I thought.

That being said, however, I never thought you that big of a fool, so it's sort of a wash.

HA!

Quite the back-handed compliment there, but I'll take it from you.

And when it's colder yet again this winter?

How many years would you say make a trend?

**valis** · 30-Oct-2008, 04:59 PM **#14**

more than make up a human lifetime, mon ami......probably ~300-500 years for a 'trend', and a millennia for a 'permanent occurrence'

either way, all we can do is look backwards and try to guess what's in front of us.

Stoner · 30-Oct-2008, 05:01 PM **#15**

Puleeeeze.........the next ice age is just minutes away

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