[TooBad]

Originally Posted by wacor

It all starts with the families. Detroit has one of the worst drop out rates in the country. Way too many single mothers and way too many that don't care about their kids future. So then you end up with a massively corrupt school board. The things turning up are mind boggling. There is a slight glimmer of hope with some new blood likely coming on the city council and with Dave Bing as Mayor.

Still the school and city are so deep in debt I doubt they can avoid bankruptcy. That happens when the bureaucracy does not down size in sync with the population.

Sounds like New Orleans, which with its attractions and national attention could be why the Feds were distracted from Detroit.

[valis]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

First thing upon which we have agreed for a while now.

whoa.........you saying you don't trust them politico types?


that would very much surprise me, Mike, and I mean that in no derogatory fashion.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by valis

How on earth did the corruption get that bad? You'd think the feds would've picked up on it by now.

I missed this

I have a theory which is gonna probably sound racist.

Detroit is 2nd highest black populated city percentage in the country at 81%

The first black mayor was Coleman Young who was very anti white. The fed had tons of stuff on him that they never acted on.

Until there was stuff that was caught where there was undeniable proof such as wiretaps and text messages I think the feds were afraid of ticking off the blacks and concerned that the the blacks might riot based on a black mayor being targeted unfairly and "THE MAN" wanting to keep the blacks down.

That and there has been a ton of cronyism. It is rampant in the city.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by valis

whoa.........you saying you don't trust them politico types?


that would very much surprise me, Mike, and I mean that in no derogatory fashion.

I would love to see a 100% turnover in both houses of Congress. I am a strong supporter of term limits.

I'm perhaps more angry with the RINOs in congress than I am with the Democrats.
At least we can know that the Democrats stand for Socialism in the name of class envy. But Conservatism seems foreign to today's elected Republicans.

[valis]

what about libertarianism?

[aka Brett]

I am interested in this Detroit.
is this where Kid Rock got his start in life?

[wacor]

Originally Posted by brett888

I am interested in this Detroit.
is this where Kid Rock got his start in life?

In the burbs

Same with Eminem

Bob Seger

Iggy Pop

and many others

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by wacor

In the burbs

Same with Eminem

Bob Seger

Iggy Pop

and many others

Sounds like a nice place to me....have to like bob seger

[valis]

and I give it up for Iggy.

raw power, baby.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by brett888

Sounds like a nice place to me....have to like bob seger

Back in the mid 60's he played at a local place called the Hideout that my sister went to every Saturday. Just a little hole in the wall joint about 4 miles from home.

[aka Brett]

Detroit (pronounced /dɪˈtrɔɪt/) is the largest city in the U.S. state of Michigan and the seat of Wayne County. Detroit is a major port city on the Detroit River, in the Midwest region of the United States. Located north of Windsor, Ontario, Detroit is the only major[4] U.S. city that looks south to Canada. It was founded on July 24, 1701 by the Frenchman Antoine de la Mothe Cadillac. Its name originates from the French word détroit (pronounced: [detʁwa] ( listen)) for strait,[5], characterizing its location on the river connecting the Great Lakes.
Known as the world's traditional automotive center,[6] "Detroit" is a metonym for the American automobile industry and an important source of popular music legacies celebrated by the city's two familiar nicknames, The Motor City and Motown.[7][8] Detroit is also sometimes pronounced /'diː.trɔɪt/. Other nicknames emerged in the twentieth century, including Rock City (after the Kiss song "Detroit Rock City"), Arsenal of Democracy (during World War II),[9] The D, D-Town, Hockeytown (a phrase officially owned by the city's NHL club, the Red Wings), and The 3-1-3 (its telephone area code).[10][11]
In 2008 Detroit ranked as the United States' eleventh most populous city, with 912,062 residents.[12] At its peak in 1950 the city was the fourth largest in America, but has since seen a major shift in its population to the suburbs.
The name Detroit sometimes refers to the Metro Detroit area, a sprawling region with a population of 4,425,110[13] for the Metropolitan Statistical Area, making it the nation's eleventh-largest, and a population of 5,354,225[14] for the nine-county Combined Statistical Area as of the 2008 Census Bureau estimates. The Detroit-Windsor area, a critical commercial link straddling the Canada-U.S. border, has a total population of about 5,700,000.[15]




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by wacor

Back in the mid 60's he played at a local place called the Hideout that my sister went to every Saturday. Just a little hole in the wall joint about 4 miles from home.

I wore out a few bob segar cassettes back in the day.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by valis

and I give it up for Iggy.

raw power, baby.

I never liked his old stuff. I got hooked on his stuff when he collaborated with David Bowie in the late 70's

I have seen Iggy several times. Once at a little hole in the wall place that I later found out was a gays club. He got off the stage and stood up on a table and sang One for My Baby, One for the Road, which was a famous Sinatra song. It took me years to finally figure out what the heck the songs name was. Finally saw a movie on Sinatra that played it in the closing credits. This youtube does not do it justice. He nailed it. Well me probably being a bit drunk and stoned did not hurt either
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abs_4mAcYjY

Then a few months later he was back in town and saw him at a little podunk roller rink.

[valis]

late 70's, mid 70's. whose counting.

Just check the writing credits on 'china girl'.

Iggy Pop, as well as David Bowie, have continuously redefined who they are (bowie, of course, being the grandmaster at that). Pop's 93 release 'American Caesar', with the single 'highway song', is a masterpiece; no other way to describe it. Still has the raw lyrics, may have toned down on the riffs a bit, but a masterpiece in it's own right, and proof positive that he can and does change to fit the times as well as Bowie does.

Maybe not as good as Bowie does, but David's untouchable in that area.

[wacor]

From todays front page of the Detroit News

Some of this is in the so called heart of the downtown. The Book Cadillac which they spent all that money remodeling after a couple decades of being empty is an impressive place. I don't know how much longer it will stay open though as it has hardly anybody staying there.

http://detnews.com/article/20090817/...wntown-Detroit

48 vacant buildings blight downtown Detroit

High cost of razing and renovation, low demand stymie development in Central Business District

Louis Aguilar / The Detroit News

Some four dozen big buildings in the heart of Detroit are languishing, vacant, because demand for commercial and office space has dropped and money to demolish or renovate them has dried up.
These are among the most visible ghosts in a city of ghostly buildings -- the harsh, physical evidence of a community that has lost 1 million people from its peak population of 1.8 million in the 1950s.
Some are in shocking condition: sidewalks cordoned off to protect pedestrians from falling chunks of facade; trees growing from roofs.
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