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F. Kennedy Jr. | A President Breaks Hearts in Appalachia
http://www.truthout.org/070309R?n
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., The Washington Post: "Mountaintop removal coal mining is the worst environmental tragedy in American history. When will the Obama administration finally stop this Appalachian apocalypse?"

[Fidelista]

I spoke too soon in earlier post .
There are still those who support coup -- right wing nuts. >f




US Conservatives Support Ouster of Honduran President

The Organization of American States and most governments in the world have condemned the ouster of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya by the military last Sunday as a coup d'etat. But the people who currently hold power in Honduras say they followed legal procedures outlined in their nation's constitution and their position is backed by many conservatives in the United States.

The crisis in Honduras has become a hot topic for conservative pundits in the past several days. President Obama, along with other world leaders, the Organization of American States and some human rights groups, have condemned the military's removal of President Zelaya in Honduras last Sunday.

But many conservatives say the officials who carried out the ouster of the president did the right thing. { of course }
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-03-voa38.cfm

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

I spoke too soon in earlier post .
There are still those who support coup -- right wing nuts. >f




US Conservatives Support Ouster of Honduran President


But many conservatives say the officials who carried out the ouster of the president did the right thing. { of course }
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-07-03-voa38.cfm

Many conservatives? What if the article had said "many conservatives don't support the officials who carried out the ouster"? Would you still be posting this? How many is many? A majority, a minority, a few, several?

Usually you don't post stupid stuff but this article is stupid stuff. And worse, meaningless except to advance an agenda unrelated to reporting the news.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

Many conservatives? What if the article had said "many conservatives don't support the officials who carried out the ouster"? Would you still be posting this? How many is many? A majority, a minority, a few, several?

Usually you don't post stupid stuff but this article is stupid stuff. And worse, meaningless except to advance an agenda unrelated to reporting the news.

I am posting it because I read it -- Voice of America , not exactly a left wing outfit .
It is not a stretch that American right wing organizations /media would support central American coups , they always have .
The people/media showing support of coup were named >>>
The crisis in Honduras has become a hot topic for conservative pundits
Commentators like the Wall Street Journal's Mary Anastasia O'Grady
Hans Bader, a legal expert with the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute,
The CATO Institute's Juan Carlos Hidalgo

I admit , I don't read much from "conservative pundits" , so I have no idea how much of a hot topic it is .
As too how many conservatives back this kind of stuff in Central America ? , from experience , I would say a majority , but only a guess.
The real reason for coup is favorable trade with Venezuela , better relations , and is opposed by the right --military --Coffee - Banana interests . Most conservatives I know want to bomb Venezuela ...so connect the dots !
I know a little about the Banana Republics , and their history's ---the American right-wing has always supported this kind of stuff , even military dictatorships -- human rights abuse--murderous regimes - you name it .
So , the VOA article does not sound far-fetched to me at all . I would expect the right to make excuse for the event and they are . >f

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

I am posting it because I read it -- Voice of America , not exactly a left wing outfit .
>f

You missed the point completely.

The article states: "many conservatives".

Do you not see that is nothing more than a justification to slam conservatives? How many is many? 2 or 4 or 10 or 10000. The article is crap.

Here let me give you an example that might make you understand:

"Many Cuban-Americans state that Fidelista is a communist spy who provided government military secrets to Fidel Castro."

Absolutely no truth to the statement but I can get away with it because all I have to do is find one wacko Cuban-American to say it.

[Stoner]

Hey >f.......who's that knocking at your door? I thought Homeland Security got the 4th off.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

You missed the point completely.

The article states: "many conservatives".

Do you not see that is nothing more than a justification to slam conservatives? How many is many? 2 or 4 or 10 or 10000. The article is crap.

Here let me give you an example that might make you understand:

"Many Cuban-Americans state that Fidelista is a communist spy who provided government military secrets to Fidel Castro."

Absolutely no truth to the statement but I can get away with it because all I have to do is find one wacko Cuban-American to say it.

Are you trying to say the American right could be honestly described as opposing the coup ??? .
Of course the article did not give an exact number of conservatives that support this stuff , no way to do that , and who cares ? . Its obvious what the far right thinks , no need for exact numbers or explanation unless speaking to a child .
All you have to do , whiteboy , is read conservative web sites , look at what their "think tanks" publish .
Its as plain as the nose on your face , so don't play Perry Mason or ....dumb. .
Just for you ,I will give a sample of conservative thought -- writing on subject . It took all of 5 min to find . The first place I looked was the crack-pot conservative web site MOONBATTERY . Do you think I was surprised by the result ? , esp since its one of Lans favorites ? . { where is Lan when you need him --he would back me up !}
I cant give you the exact number of conservative sites in case that is your next question. >f
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Under Obama Regime, America Now Backs Tyranny Against Liberty
Possibly the most shameful and heartbreaking aspect of the Obama presidency is that until it is finally over, America — which has sacrificed so much blood around the world in defense of liberty — is now on the side of tyranny.

Manuel Zelaya tried to set himself up as a socialist dictator in Honduras, he was thankfully slapped back into place by Hondurans who want to continue to live in a democracy.

"Obama and his supporters have brought me as close as I've ever come to being ashamed to be American .

http://www.moonbattery.com/
Honduras – Coup or Constitutional Action?

http://www.americanconservativedaily...tional-action/


US Conservatives Support Ouster Of Honduran President
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/83...president.html

Barack Obama sells out America and its loyal allies to favour leftists
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/ge...vour-leftists/

Populist, But Not Popular
http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009...t-but-not-popu

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Hey >f.......who's that knocking at your door? I thought Homeland Security got the 4th off.

No fear of Homeland Security , its torch carrying rednecks that concern me ! >f

[Knotbored]

Before we get all riled up about the big-bad military picking on the poor innocent elected politician I suggest we each become aware of Zelaya position within Honduras.
Select any Google site- choose this nuetral site if you don't wish to look at others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manuel_Zelaya

It seems to me he is a rich bully about to be dethrowned by a civil war after refussing to comply with most every law in Honduras political life.
Should he be deposed?-none of our business
Is a better alternative available to replace him?-don't know-don't care-none of our business
Will political termoil hurt USA? Probably the cruise ships will reroute for a month or two
Should we invest any USA troops to secure USA intrests?-nope

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

No fear of Homeland Security , its torch carrying rednecks that concern me ! >f

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[poochee]

THE WHITE HOUSE

Office of the Press Secretary
________________________________________________________________
EMBARGOED UNTIL 6:00 AM ET, SATURDAY, July 4, 2009

WEEKLY ADDRESS: President Obama Celebrates Independence Day
and the American Spirit


WASHINGTON – In his weekly address, President Barack Obama celebrated the unyielding American spirit that has defined our past and will lead us into the future. Even as we face daunting challenges - two wars, a deep recession, skyrocketing health care costs, and a dependence on foreign oil, we have always overcome long odds and faced down our trials. We must remember and renew that spirit as we confront and meet our current challenges.

The full audio of the address is HERE. The video can be viewed online at www.whitehouse.gov.


Remarks of President Barack Obama
Weekly Address
The White House
July 4, 2009


Hello and Happy Fourth of July, everybody. This weekend is a time to get together with family and friends, kick back, and enjoy a little time off. And I hope that’s exactly what all of you do. But I also want to take a moment today to reflect on what I believe is the meaning of this distinctly American holiday.

Today, we are called to remember not only the day our country was born – we are also called to remember the indomitable spirit of the first American citizens who made that day possible.

We are called to remember how unlikely it was that our American experiment would succeed at all; that a small band of patriots would declare independence from a powerful empire; and that they would form, in the new world, what the old world had never known – a government of, by, and for the people.

That unyielding spirit is what defines us as Americans. It is what led generations of pioneers to blaze a westward trail.

It is what led my grandparents’ generation to persevere in the face of a Depression and triumph in the face of tyranny.

It is what led generations of American workers to build an industrial economy unrivalled around the world.

It is what has always led us, as a people, not to wilt or cower at a difficult moment, but to face down any trial and rise to any challenge, understanding that each of us has a hand in writing America’s destiny.

That is the spirit we are called to show once more. We are facing an array of challenges on a scale unseen in our time. We are waging two wars. We are battling a deep recession. And our economy – and our nation itself – are endangered by festering problems we have kicked down the road for far too long: spiraling health care costs; inadequate schools; and a dependence on foreign oil.

Meeting these extraordinary challenges will require an extraordinary effort on the part of every American. And that is an effort we cannot defer any longer.

Now is the time to lay a new foundation for growth and prosperity. Now is the time to revamp our education system, demand more from teachers, parents, and students alike, and build schools that prepare every child in America to outcompete any worker in the world.

Now is the time to reform an unsustainable health care system that is imposing crushing costs on families, businesses, large and small, and state and federal budgets. We need to protect what works, fix what’s broken, and bring down costs for all Americans. No more talk. No more delay. Health care reform must happen this year.

And now is the time to meet our energy challenge – one of the greatest challenges we have ever confronted as a people or as a planet. For the sake of our economy and our children, we must build on the historic bill passed by the House of Representatives, and make clean energy the profitable kind of energy so that we can end our dependence on foreign oil and reclaim America’s future.

These are some of the challenges that our generation has been called to meet. And yet, there are those who would have us try what has already failed; who would defend the status quo. They argue that our health care system is fine the way it is and that a clean energy economy can wait. They say we are trying to do too much, that we are moving too quickly, and that we all ought to just take a deep breath and scale back our goals.

These naysayers have short memories. They forget that we, as a people, did not get here by standing pat in a time of change. We did not get here by doing what was easy. That is not how a cluster of 13 colonies became the United States of America.

We are not a people who fear the future. We are a people who make it. And on this July 4th, we need to summon that spirit once more. We need to summon the same spirit that inhabited Independence Hall two hundred and thirty-three years ago today.

That is how this generation of Americans will make its mark on history. That is how we will make the most of this extraordinary moment. And that is how we will write the next chapter in the great American story. Thank you, and Happy Fourth of July.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...erican-Spirit/

[poochee]

Obama's trip: 3 more countries, 1 broad mission
BEN FELLER | July 4, 2009 12:13 PM EST | AP

WASHINGTON — Determined to change the way the world views the United States, Barack Obama is onto his next foreign mission: rebuilding relations with Russia, proving to global leaders that America is serious about climate change, and outlining his vision for Africa, his father's birthplace.

And when in Rome? Obama will go to the Vatican to see Pope Benedict XVI for their first meeting.

Obama's weeklong trip _ he leaves Sunday night for Moscow _ typifies the pace of his first-year agenda.

Capitalizing on his popularity and his party's hold on power in Washington, Obama is moving quickly and broadly on foreign policy. That often means overturning George W. Bush's policies or mending relations that Obama contends went adrift under his Republican predecessor.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...-pivotal-week/

[poochee]

A few US cities hope to host Gitmo transplants
JIM SUHR | July 4, 2009 01:49 PM EST | AP

MARION, Ill. — Once the nation's most secure prison, the federal lockup in southern Illinois has housed everyone from spies to a Colombian druglord to dapper mob boss John Gotti.

Now the mayor of Marion hopes to roll out the welcome mat for a new set of accused criminals: Guantanamo Bay terrorism suspects.

While other cities across the U.S. have balked at taking in any of the more than 200 detainees from the infamous lockup in Cuba that President Barack Obama hopes to shutter, Marion is part of a small contingent seeking out the prisoners _ and the money and jobs they might bring.

"We have the facility, and I say bring them on," Mayor Robert Butler said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...inees-welcome/

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

I am posting it because I read it -- Voice of America , not exactly a left wing outfit .
It is not a stretch that American right wing organizations /media would support central American coups , they always have .
The people/media showing support of coup were named >>>
The crisis in Honduras has become a hot topic for conservative pundits
Commentators like the Wall Street Journal's Mary Anastasia O'Grady
Hans Bader, a legal expert with the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute,
The CATO Institute's Juan Carlos Hidalgo

I admit , I don't read much from "conservative pundits" , so I have no idea how much of a hot topic it is .
As too how many conservatives back this kind of stuff in Central America ? , from experience , I would say a majority , but only a guess.
The real reason for coup is favorable trade with Venezuela , better relations , and is opposed by the right --military --Coffee - Banana interests . Most conservatives I know want to bomb Venezuela ...so connect the dots !
I know a little about the Banana Republics , and their history's ---the American right-wing has always supported this kind of stuff , even military dictatorships -- human rights abuse--murderous regimes - you name it .
So , the VOA article does not sound far-fetched to me at all . I would expect the right to make excuse for the event and they are . >f

AMAZING....You accuse all conservatives of thinking in lockstep then post this. I suggest a mirror because you just engaged in the same behavior that you condemn conservatives for.

Let's see all liberals (like you) believe in communism.

The point my barely American Cuban is that there are a range of opinions within the conservative philosophy just like in the liberal philosophy. The article you so desperately cling too attempts to justify its political bias by painting all conservatives as the same.

But what is most telling is your unwavering desire to believe it.

[poochee]

Obama Urges Groups to Stop Attacks
Advocates Should Turn Attention to Promoting Legislation, President Says

By Ceci Connolly
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 4, 2009

President Obama, strategizing yesterday with congressional leaders about health-care reform, complained that liberal advocacy groups ought to drop their attacks on Democratic lawmakers and devote their energy to promoting passage of comprehensive legislation.

In a pre-holiday call with half a dozen top House and Senate Democrats, Obama expressed his concern over advertisements and online campaigns targeting moderate Democrats, whom they criticize for not being fully devoted to "true" health-care reform.

"We shouldn't be focusing resources on each other," Obama opined in the call, according to three sources who participated in or listened to the conversation. "We ought to be focused on winning this debate." ..Yep!




http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...070302309.html