[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by wacor

That was a funny cartoon even if it pisses me off you posting them here when I asked not to. I did not watch the shows yesterday but heard about this one and frankly the first thing that came to mind was Clinton and his definition of IS.

I believe it was the Sotomayor thread that I was asked not to post cartiins within .... and I respected that request.

I don't know of any such requests in this thread, but with this Obamacare idiocy, I intend to continue posting poignant toons in here, as there is simply too much fodder to ignore on the subject.

Yes. the Clinton "is" comment sprang to my mind as well, which makes the toon even more appropriate in the context of this thread.

Don't be peeved, wacor. It's just an editorial toon.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by TooBad

Doesn't that come under "equal protection under the law"? If Congress is exempt, then so should everyone be exempt. They are not so special, or at least shouldn't be special as to the law.

What I find interesting about the US Congress is that these ARE NOT the brightest of people.
One cannot help but believe they might be watching an excerpt from Leno's "Jay Walking" segment whenever these ignoramii are questioned.

[LANMaster]

[LANMaster]

Democrats to Open Obamacare to Illegal Immigrants

Of course they are!!!

Democrats are open to extending Obamacare coverage to illegal immigrants.
The Washington Times reported:

Fearful that they're losing ground on immigration and health care, a group of House Democrats is pushing back and arguing that any health care bill should extend to all legal immigrants and allow illegal immigrants some access.

The Democrats, trying to stiffen their party's spines on the contentious issue, say it's unfair to bar illegal immigrants from paying their own way in a government-sponsored exchange. Legal immigrants, they say, regardless of how long they've been in the United States, should be able to get government-subsidized health care if they meet the other eligibility requirements.

"Legal permanent residents should be able to purchase their plans, and they should also be eligible for subsidies if they need it. Undocumented, if they can afford it, should be able to buy their own private plans. It keeps them out of the emergency room," said Rep. Michael M. Honda, California Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

Is anybody shocked? Just another attempt to grab the Hispanic vote, IMO.
This whole thing is more about getting votes than it ever was about the health of Americans.

Gateway

[LANMaster]

Bump

[wacor]

Ah yes this is how DC works

From an email

I left out the cartoon

Sorry Lan

Let me get this straight.

We're going to pass a health care plan
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,

signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes,

with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,

overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,

and financed by a country that's nearly broke.

What possibly could go wrong?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by wacor

Ah yes this is how DC works

From an email

I left out the cartoon

Sorry Lan

Let me get this straight.

We're going to pass a health care plan
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,

signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes,

with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,

overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,

and financed by a country that's nearly broke.

What possibly could go wrong?

Give this man a cigar!

[LANMaster]

Sunstein: Take organs from 'helpless patients'

'Though it may sound grotesque, routine removal would save lives'


TEL AVIV – President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar defended the possibility of removing organs from terminally ill patients without their permission.

Cass Sunstein also has strongly pushed for the removal of organs from deceased individuals who did not explicitly consent to becoming organ donors.

In his 2008 book, "Nudge: Improving Decisions about Health, Wealth and Happiness," Sunstein and co-author Richard Thaler discussed multiple legal scenarios regarding organ donation. One possibility presented in the book, termed by Sunstein as "routine removal," posits that "the state owns the rights to body parts of people who are dead or in certain hopeless conditions, and it can remove their organs without asking anyone's permission."

"Though it may sound grotesque, routine removal is not impossible to defend," wrote Sunstein. "In theory, it would save lives, and it would do so without intruding on anyone who has any prospect for life."


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Disgusting.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Sunstein: Take organs from 'helpless patients'

'Though it may sound grotesque, routine removal would save lives'


TEL AVIV – President Obama's newly confirmed regulatory czar defended the possibility of removing organs from terminally ill patients without their permission.

Cass Sunstein also has strongly pushed for the removal of organs from deceased individuals who did not explicitly consent to becoming organ donors.

In his 2008 book, "Nudge: Improving Decisions about Health, Wealth and Happiness," Sunstein and co-author Richard Thaler discussed multiple legal scenarios regarding organ donation. One possibility presented in the book, termed by Sunstein as "routine removal," posits that "the state owns the rights to body parts of people who are dead or in certain hopeless conditions, and it can remove their organs without asking anyone's permission."

"Though it may sound grotesque, routine removal is not impossible to defend," wrote Sunstein. "In theory, it would save lives, and it would do so without intruding on anyone who has any prospect for life."


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Disgusting.

Dr. Mengele would be so proud!

[Dudenell]

ha obamacare? where do you left wing nuts come up with this?

Let me just hurry up and die... Nothing like getting my insurance dropped at age 19 because I can afford to support my own healthcare costs in college!

Nothing like a healthcare system that runs on PROFIT (what we have now) by denying claims.

so I get hit by a bus, can't afford to pay... What happens to me?

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by wacor

Ah yes this is how DC works

From an email

I left out the cartoon

Sorry Lan

Let me get this straight.

We're going to pass a health care plan
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,

passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,

signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes,

with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,

overseen by a surgeon general who is obese,

and financed by a country that's nearly broke.

What possibly could go wrong?

What could possibly go wrong?
Read this >
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000...022338232.html

Paying the Health Tax in Massachusetts

Coming to America.....

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Stoner

What could possibly go wrong?
Read this >
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB2000...022338232.html

Paying the Health Tax in Massachusetts

Coming to America.....

Good find there Jack

That is where we are headed. Unbelievable. And once this plan gets enacted it will never be corrected.

As I have said before we need reform. This crap coming from the Democrats is not reform. It is a mess that will have tons of unintended consequences.

[Fyzbo]

Originally Posted by Dudenell

ha obamacare? where do you left wing nuts come up with this?

Nothing like starting your argument with a good ad hominem.

Originally Posted by Dudenell

Let me just hurry up and die... Nothing like getting my insurance dropped at age 19 because I can afford to support my own healthcare costs in college!

What are your health care costs in college? Mine were nothing as I made it through with no major illness or surgery. The campus took care of minor stuff and an inexpensive supplemental plan covered what ifs like cancer.

Originally Posted by Dudenell

Nothing like a healthcare system that runs on PROFIT (what we have now) by denying claims.

Actually healthcare doesn't deny care. Health insurance might deny a claim, but that is insurance not care.

Originally Posted by Dudenell

so I get hit by a bus, can't afford to pay... What happens to me?

You go to the emergency room where they treat your wounds. Most likely the bus company will end up paying all your medical expenses. On the case that doesn't happen it's already been pointed out in this thread that you would be able to work out a reasonable payment plan with the hospital. Insurance companies only come into play if you pay for insurance.


There seems to be so much anger and misinformation all culminating in the idea that the government has to do something. I don't understand it. When did the government become the answer to every problem?

[bill.aam]

The Joint Congressional Committee on Taxation in two seperate memorandums, has come to the logical conclusion that the new excise tax included in the health plan approved yesterday in the Senate will raise prices for insurance policies. It also shows that some portion of the excise tax will be passed on to employees and in some cases the entire amount will be passed on....

In short, it appears that the Senate approved plan will lower wages and incress costs...

Below are two Memorandums, one is the Memorandum (40% - Excise Tax on Higher Coverage Health Plans, 4 pages), and the second is the Memorandum (Effective Marginal Tax Rates, 2 pages)

Please note they are PDF files...2 pages and 4 pages, respectively.

Memorandum (Effective Marginal Tax)...

Memorandum (40% - Excise Tax on Higher Coverage Health Plans....

[LANMaster]

Robert Reich Admits: Democrats *So* Want to Pull The Plug on Grandma

Verum Serum has dug up a most inconvenient recording of Bill Clinton's Labor Secretary, and mental as well as physical midget Robert Reich, admitting that, ideally, Democrats just want old people to die.

Video Here

"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die."

Note the applause from the Democrat/Progressive Left audience when he talks about raising taxes and letting old people die. Note he also admits -- to still more applause from the Democrat/Progressive Left audience -- that state-controlled health care will mean the end of life-extending medical innovations.

But remember, 'Death Panels' are a figment of Sarah Palin's imagination.



Do we have a picture of Robert Reich? Oh yes, here it is





My apologies to Michael Dunn.