[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by iltos

this thread has blossomed into a great arguement for the prudent use of labels...otherwise, it would seem any desire for a collaborative effort won't even be able to identifiy a common goal, let along work towards it

Very true. Labels and classifications are necessary. We just need to exercise caution when applying discrete labels in a continuum - the extreme case being human.

Originally Posted by iltos

a lot of people on this board dislike chomsky, but he'd love it in this thread

Noam Chomsky? If so, drag him in here!

Originally Posted by iltos

and i have to say, i think that stella's first -the second i consider facetious -question regarding aborted fetuses and heaven is a fair one, and has so far not been answered except through a framework that assumes abortion to be murder and so disparages the very asking of it.

When does a fetus get a soul?

Originally Posted by iltos

subtle be our labelling....but there ain't no absolute truth here, imo.

2+2=11 and I challenge anyone here to prove me wrong.

[Ciberblade]

Walks through the door and gets immediately mauled by labels, having to peel several off before speaking

Originally Posted by iltos

heh

this thread has blossomed into a great arguement for the prudent use of labels...otherwise, it would seem any desire for a collaborative effort won't even be able to identifiy a common goal, let along work towards it

a lot of people on this board dislike chomsky, but he'd love it in this thread

and i have to say, i think that stella's first -the second i consider facetious -question regarding aborted fetuses and heaven is a fair one, and has so far not been answered except through a framework that assumes abortion to be murder and so disparages the very asking of it.

subtle be our labelling....but there ain't no absolute truth here, imo.

I'll take a succinct try at this.

If we consider what is said in 1John 2:2 to be true, that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for the sins of the world...in its entirety, then we can presume that includes children as well, yes?

Moreso, should we take a look at the character of God...one of love, then we can also suggest that those unable to place their lives in Jesus' hands through conscious decision would be covered in that love.

TBH, and to my knowledge, there is no direct scripture that speaks to this. So all I can do is apply what I know about the character of God to the situation and see if it fits. I believe it does.

[pyritechips]

Originally Posted by MobiusJedi

Absolute truth must be proved absolutely (as an end result) to be absolute truth. Therein lies the contradiction in what pyritechips said.

Originally Posted by pyritechips
Absolute truth can never be proved absolutely.

There is no contradiction. I said absolute truth can't be proved absolutely and you said it must be proved absolutely to be absolute truth. You are saying it must be (conditional) while I am saying it can't be (conclusive).

Originally Posted by MobiusJedi

Amateur. If you can't expand your metaphor, just say so! (I have to say, you were using rather logical arguments to defend your metaphor. Is it so surprising my reply would be a further logical step?)
We are all amateurs here.

Why do you assume I need to "expand" my metaphor? I like it just the way it is. Metaphors are of the Dialectic. The Dialectic came before the Logos. I guess you never saw that thread...



Uh, what unresolved conflict? What conflict, even?

[iltos]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

Walks through the door and gets immediately mauled by labels, having to peel several off before speaking

well, they can be a bit like vampire bats...especially if you've got an open wound

How you doin, stranger?......just making the rounds this morning, are ya?
Good to see you

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

2+2=11 and I challenge anyone here to prove me wrong.

*takes that challenge*

Base4 has integers: 0, 1, 2, 3

the place holders being: 1's, 4, 4 and 4^2

Since there are no groups of 1's and one group of 4's, that gets written as: 10, or otherwise expressed as: 2+2=10

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by iltos

well, they can be a bit like vampire bats...especially if you've got an open wound

How you doin, stranger?......just making the rounds this morning, are ya?
Good to see you

*peels off another label* yeah they can

Doing alright...been a rough year. I'm back around and figured I'd just dive in
Good to see you too

[pyritechips]

Is zero an absolute truth?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

Walks through the door and gets immediately mauled by labels, having to peel several off before speaking


I'll take a succinct try at this.

If we consider what is said in 1John 2:2 to be true, that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient for the sins of the world...in its entirety, then we can presume that includes children as well, yes?

Moreso, should we take a look at the character of God...one of love, then we can also suggest that those unable to place their lives in Jesus' hands through conscious decision would be covered in that love.

TBH, and to my knowledge, there is no direct scripture that speaks to this. So all I can do is apply what I know about the character of God to the situation and see if it fits. I believe it does.

Careful ..... some of those labels are lick-and-stick.

Awesome post.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

*takes that challenge*

Base4 has integers: 0, 1, 2, 3

the place holders being: 1's, 4, 4 and 4^2

Since there are no groups of 1's and one group of 4's, that gets written as: 10, or otherwise expressed as: 2+2=10

Bah, but you are making little sense.

I am counting Valis' apples, "1, 2, 10, 11". There are 11 apples!

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

Bah, but you are making little sense.

I am counting Valis' apples, "1, 2, 10, 11". There are 11 apples!

*insert morning laugh here*

Thanks for that...good to see you my friend
Hope things are going good with you.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

Moreso, should we take a look at the character of God...one of love, then we can also suggest that those unable to place their lives in Jesus' hands through conscious decision would be covered in that love.

In other words, ignorance is bliss.

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

TBH, and to my knowledge, there is no direct scripture that speaks to this. So all I can do is apply what I know about the character of God to the situation and see if it fits. I believe it does.

Beating around the Zen bush again are we? Set it on fire as Buff suggests. It's the soul that goes to heaven which implies that you need to have one!

Originally Posted by pyritechips

Is zero an absolute truth?

Absolutely(?)

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

In other words, ignorance is bliss.

Always

Originally Posted by thingamajig

Beating around the Zen bush again are we? Set it on fire as Buff suggests. It's the soul that goes to heaven which implies that you need to have one!

Comes standard on all models

[valis]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

I am counting Valis' apples, "1, 2, 10, 11". There are 11 apples!

who are you, and why are you counting my apples?

[valis]

Originally Posted by valis

who are you, and why are you counting my apples?

ya know, that's sig worthy.

heyya ciber, what be up in your corner of the multiverse?

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by valis

ya know, that's sig worthy.

heyya ciber, what be up in your corner of the multiverse?

An array of universal constants colliding into nothingness mostly. How about you?