[Drabdr]

Originally Posted by jmosmith

Only if the Saints win the Super Bowl,.... hey, it's a religious thread, right!?

GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Ya know, I don't know who I want to win. I will probably end up pulling for the Saints. Regardless, I bet it will be a good game.

All, enjoy the game tomorrow.

[LANMaster]

Go Saints!!!!

[lotuseclat79]

Christians claim hate crimes law an effort to ‘eradicate’ their beliefs.

A Christian group in Michigan has filed a lawsuit alleging that a package of hate crimes laws named after murder victim Matthew Shepard is an affront to their religious freedom.

-- Tom

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Christians claim hate crimes law an effort to ‘eradicate’ their beliefs.

A Christian group in Michigan has filed a lawsuit alleging that a package of hate crimes laws named after murder victim Matthew Shepard is an affront to their religious freedom.

-- Tom

Wow, that is just....unfortunate. It illustrates what so many believe being a 'Christian' to be.....hypocritical, judgmental, hateful, condemning, condescending, etc... Worse is that these people find their identity in Christ to be wrapped up in their "right" to stand opposed to 'homosexuals' regardless of teachings.

In short...

[poochee]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Christians claim hate crimes law an effort to ‘eradicate’ their beliefs.

A Christian group in Michigan has filed a lawsuit alleging that a package of hate crimes laws named after murder victim Matthew Shepard is an affront to their religious freedom.

-- Tom

I am releived to say this is an "association" not a church.

[Murtag]

Originally Posted by brillser

Is "fundamentalist" just another word for "extremist"?

If you are a fundamentalist christain, it just means that you believe in the whole Bible.

[Murtag]

Originally Posted by Ciberblade

Wow, that is just....unfortunate. It illustrates what so many believe being a 'Christian' to be.....hypocritical, judgmental, hateful, condemning, condescending, etc... Worse is that these people find their identity in Christ to be wrapped up in their "right" to stand opposed to 'homosexuals' regardless of teachings.

In short...

What drives me crazy, is that people will hear the word "Christian", and automatically think that they are supposed to be perfect people just like Jesus who don't do anything wrong. Well, here is a big shocker... good thing whoever reads this is probably sitting down... but....... we are human too!!! We have faults, and struggle with things just like everyone else in the world.

And about homosexuals... Leviticus 18:22 hasn't erased itself for a reason >.> *no sarcasm intended*
Before someone jumps on me, for the record, I don't hate homosexuals.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Murtag

If you are a fundamentalist christain, it just means that you believe in the whole Bible.

Yep!

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by Murtag

What drives me crazy, is that people will hear the word "Christian", and automatically think that they are supposed to be perfect people just like Jesus who don't do anything wrong. Well, here is a big shocker... good thing whoever reads this is probably sitting down... but....... we are human too!!! We have faults, and struggle with things just like everyone else in the world.

And about homosexuals... Leviticus 18:22 hasn't erased itself for a reason >.> *no sarcasm intended*
Before someone jumps on me, for the record, I don't hate homosexuals.

You touch on the point...we are human with faults and struggles with sin patters rampant throughout our life. So why is it so important to point a finger at homosexuals?

True, Leviticus has not erased itself - nor has any of the verses dealing with greed, pride, hate, et al. None are worse than the other and ALL speak to behavior, not people. The problem with "homosexuals" is...that the term is used as a blanket of alienation/accusation of people beyond behavior. My question in the middle of that is: where is the presence of God's love?

[Murtag]

I do not think it is important to point a finger at anyone, we just need to show them through the love of God that what they are doing is an abomination in His eyes.

So technically I agree with you

[valis]

I think what you mean to say is that

we just need to show them through the love of God that what they are doing is an abomination in His eyes, in my opinion.

because you got NO proof that he even exists, much less that he has appointed you spokesperson for what is and is not an abomination in his eyes.

[Ciberblade]

Originally Posted by Murtag

I do not think it is important to point a finger at anyone, we just need to show them through the love of God that what they are doing is an abomination in His eyes.

So technically I agree with you

Technically...how nice

Then....how is it any different from each and every single person on the planet?

[pyritechips]

Originally Posted by valis

I think what you mean to say is that


because you got NO proof that he even exists, much less that he has appointed you spokesperson for what is and is not an abomination in his eyes.

Tim, I think the impasse comes about because god, in the eyes of a believer, is the Absolute Truth. If one accepts that then his sentence makes perfect sense.

But as I have argued, there is no Absolute Truth. That means there is no god, unless you wish to believe in a relativistic one. Therefore a believer cannot accept there being no Absolute Truth. But a non-believer takes his statement as being meaningless. Such things as homosexuality and abortion being abominations in his eyes has no more value than does slithy toves:

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

[Murtag]

Originally Posted by valis

I think what you mean to say is that


because you *got NO proof that he even exists, much less that he has appointed you spokesperson for what is and is not an abomination in his eyes.

*have
The world, even your own body is proof He does exist.
The world and the human body is so complex, no logical person would believe that it just somehow happened in some sort of explosion, then, managed to become what it is today.
One of my well-liked quotes:

Atheism:
The belief that there was nothing
and nothing happened to nothing
and then nothing magically
exploded for no reason, creating
everything, and then a bunch of
everything magically rearranged
itself for no reason whatsoever
into self-replicating bits which
then turned into dinosaurs.

Makes perfect sense.


"spokesperson?", I guess you could label anyone who believes in the Bible a "spokesperson"... If they are not sharing the Word of God with people... then they probably want to read the good Book a little more

[Murtag]

Originally Posted by pyritechips

Tim, I think the impasse comes about because god, in the eyes of a believer, is the Absolute Truth. If one accepts that then his sentence makes perfect sense.

But as I have argued, there is no Absolute Truth. That means there is no god, unless you wish to believe in a relativistic one. Therefore a believer cannot accept there being no Absolute Truth. But a non-believer takes his statement as being meaningless. Such things as homosexuality and abortion being abominations in his eyes has no more value than does slithy toves:

About Absolute Truth, check this site out.
*question is at top in white, click the box that you choose as your answer*
>>>>Please read through it, it will help explain things so it makes sense<<<<
http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/