[valis]

hmm.

can you name an instance when killing is NOT murder?

[RootbeaR]

Originally Posted by valis

hmm.

can you name an instance when killing is NOT murder?

Murder is unlawful.

Killing a plant so you have a head of lettuce to make a salad with is not murder.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by valis

hmm.

can you name an instance when killing is NOT murder?

I do not believe that capital punishment is murder. Even though I oppose it.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by valis

hmm.

can you name an instance when killing is NOT murder?

How about self defense, how about execution for being convicted of mass murder?? Do you need more?? How about if some lunatic raped and killed Monkeyboy?? C'mon Valis, you're smarter than that!

[LANMaster]

Ouch ..... Try to keep it a wee bit less personal, TooBad, ok?

Thx.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Ouch ..... Try to keep it a wee bit less personal, TooBad, ok?

Thx.

Sorry, Valis and I have agreed and disagreed on other threads. And he has poked me when I got off-track, at least as far as he was concerned.

Valis, are you OK?

[LANMaster]

I respect your back & forth. We also poke each other with sticks from time to time.
Just looking out for you, Amigo.

[thingamajig]

My general response is, who cares? If you do you believe in this crap, you have something wrong with in in the first place. I'm tired of the Christian clad theories in ancient misinterpreted books You can believe in fact or fiction.

I haven't read this post and I don't care to. The real comes to whether you believe in fact as we know it, or superstition. There's is nothing in between. There is no literature of the time that has stood the face of time.

I'm done with this. Condemn and treat with atrocities those who are condemned to hell, or be human for a change. Those of faith are the most evil in the face of that faith to good-ole humanistic kind. - the evidence is overwhelming.

Where has Jesus been for the last 2k Years?

If you think you are different than the Mullahs, you are sadly mistaken.

[LANMaster]

I resent your comments, thingamajig.
Wjat you are doing is no different than those who claim you are going to hell. (which you will never hear from me)

You're calling me evil. You are attributing atrocities to me that are completely and utterly anathema to my belief.

If you knew thing one about Jesus Christ and His teachings, you would realize that atrocities committed in His name are unforgivable.

There's nothing "wrong" with me because I believe Jesus Christ died on a cross some 2000 years ago, and rose from the dead to save me from eternal damnation. In fact, the majority of the world through the ages has believed in God in one way or another.

So I suppose that you think you're above average intellect, eh?

Quite arrogant, IMO. You sound just like that which you condemn.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I resent your comments, thingamajig.
Wjat you are doing is no different than those who claim you are going to hell. (which you will never hear from me)

You're calling me evil. You are attributing atrocities to me that are completely and utterly anathema to my belief.

If you knew thing one about Jesus Christ and His teachings, you would realize that atrocities committed in His name are unforgivable.

There's nothing "wrong" with me because I believe Jesus Christ died on a cross some 2000 years ago, and rose from the dead to save me from eternal damnation. In fact, the majority of the world through the ages has believed in God in one way or another.

So I suppose that you think you're above average intellect, eh?

Quite arrogant, IMO. You sound just like that which you condemn.

Very good, Lan! I would not have been so diplomatic.

[xico]

Originally Posted by brillser

Yes, of course the absolute truth exists. Evolution, mathematics and psychics are clear examples.

Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem
In 1930 Kurt Gödel proved a remarkable thing: mathematics is open-ended. There can never be a final, best theory of mathematics (or of anything else important, for that matter). Truth is undefinable and infinitely elusive.
Rudy Rucker
http://www.cs.sjsu.edu/faculty/rucker/tenfaves.htm

[MobiusJedi]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Three fixations of fundamentalist Christians.

...evolution didn’t happen, abortion is murder, and absolute truth exists.

-- Tom

...depends how one defines evolution, abortion is murder, and relative truth is no truth at all; if there is such a thing as truth, it must be absolute.

Originally Posted by RSM123

I seem to remember Robin Williams in one of his shows remarking at the apparent contradiction of fundamentalist christians opposing abortion on the grounds that life is paramount, yet supporting capital punishment, and the relaxing of gun control legislation.

I am sure that the above is an over simplification, but your thread reminded me of it nevertheless.

Though the common reasoning is simplified, I understand the distinction. Unborn life is innocent so justice is served by protecting the innocent. Capitol punishment, when the justice system functions correctly, punishes the guilty, not the innocent.

Originally Posted by Drabdr

Actually, I believe there are only two:

Oh, the rest of the quote is gone. . . [Love your God with all your heart, mind, body, and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself.]

Anyway, to be fair, the three fixations mentioned tend to result from this command. Also, doesn't that really count as one? To love your neighbor as yourself is the product of loving God with all your heart...

[Drabdr]

Originally Posted by MobiusJedi

Anyway, to be fair, the three fixations mentioned tend to result from this command. Also, doesn't that really count as one? To love your neighbor as yourself is the product of loving God with all your heart...

Good points.

BTW.... welcome to the discussion board.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by MobiusJedi

...depends how one defines evolution, abortion is murder, and relative truth is no truth at all; if there is such a thing as truth, it must be absolute.

welcome to TSG MobiusJedi....your phrase about evolution makes the very concept relative and so not a truth at all, according to your last phrase.
your phrase about abortion is an opinion derived from your beliefs, but is stated as tho it were an absolute truth.....

you seem to be demonstrating that absolute truth is simply the result of a belief system
i have no arguement with THAT statement as an absolute truth....everything that you stated, however, is relative

which doesn't make it bad, mind you....just what you believe to be absolute....perhaps, then, it is "absoluteness" that is the true fixation....for all of us

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by iltos

welcome to TSG MobiusJedi....your phrase about evolution makes the very concept relative and so not a truth at all, according to your last phrase.
your phrase about abortion is an opinion derived from your beliefs, but is stated as tho it were an absolute truth.....

It is an absolute truth. Abortion is the intentional killing of a living human being who would otherwise desire to continue living who has done nothing to deserve to be killed.

murder ........... The very definition.
That is a fact, and that is an absolute truth... as distasteful as you wish it weren't.

you seem to be demonstrating that absolute truth is simply the result of a belief system
i have no arguement with THAT statement as an absolute truth....everything that you stated, however, is relative

Truth is not merely what you want it to be.

which doesn't make it bad, mind you....just what you believe to be absolute....perhaps, then, it is "absoluteness" that is the true fixation....for all of us

Is the sky blue?, is the water wet? You can pretend all you want that truth is in the eye of the beholder, but certain things simply are true whether or not you wish to acknowledge the fact.



BTW .... welcome to CD, Mobius, and thanks for the threadzurrection. Your username sounds familiar. Were you here before?