[ekim68]

And where did that yellowcake information come from?

[thingamajig]

Silly me. All along I believed that we invaded because of Iraq's ties with Al Qaeda ...

Lan is correct about the oil imports.

IMO, either Bush really does listen to the voices in his head or the reasons are yet unknown to us. All we can do is speculate. Have fun...

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by ekim68

And where did that yellowcake information come from?

Iraq!! Do you need a map?

[Blackmirror]

I thought you were a litle piddled that you couldnt get Bin Laden
so went for an easier target

[lotuseclat79]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Sadam tried to kill Daddy Bush and I have always thought that was a factor in JR's decision.

I agree! That may have been the straw that broke the Bush's back, eh? Or, at least Bush43's back. Nothing like a son to settle what he views as a father's shortcomings for not having obliterated Sadam in the first place instead of choosing not to in that case (in '91).

-- Tom

[Blackmirror]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

I agree! That may have been the straw that broke the Bush's back, eh? Or, at least Bush43's back. Nothing like a son to settle what he views as a father's shortcomings for not having obliterated Sadam in the first place instead of choosing not to in that case.

-- Tom

You really think Iraq is better off with S gone ?

Its chaos

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by lotuseclat79

Eager to Tap Iraq's Vast Oil Reserves, Industry Execs Suggested Invasion.

Two years before the invasion of Iraq, oil executives and foreign policy advisers told the Bush administration that the United States would remain "a prisoner of its energy dilemma" as long as Saddam Hussein was in power.

-- Tom

Im sure oil had alot to do with the war but how quickly we forget what Saddam did and didnt do.



April 3, 1991
U.N. Security Council Resolution 687 (1991), Section C, declares that Iraq shall accept unconditionally, under international supervision, the "destruction, removal or rendering harmless" of its weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles with a range over 150 kilometers (emphasis added). One week later, Iraq accepts Resolution 687.

May 1991
Iraq accepts the privileges and immunities of the Special Commission (UNSCOM) and its personnel. These guarantees include the right of "unrestricted freedom of entry and exit without delay or hindrance of its personnel, property, supplies, equipment ... (emphasis added)."

June 1991
Iraqi personnel fire warning shots to prevent the inspectors from approaching the vehicles.

September 1991
Iraqi officials confiscate documents from the inspectors. The inspectors refuse to yield a second set of documents. In response, Iraq refuses to allow the team to leave the site with these documents. A four-day standoff ensues, but Iraq permits the team to leave with the documents after a statement from the Security Council threatens enforcement actions.

October 11, 1991
The Security Council adopts Resolution 715, which approves joint UNSCOM and IAEA plans for ongoing monitoring and verification. UNSCOMs plan establishes that Iraq shall "accept unconditionally the inspectors and all other personnel designated by the Special Commission" (emphasis added).

October 1991
Iraq states that it considers the Ongoing Monitoring and Verification Plans adopted by Resolution 715 to be unlawful and states that it is not ready to comply with Resolution 715.
February 1992
Iraq refuses to comply with an UNSCOM/IAEA decision to destroy certain facilities used in proscribed programs and related items.

April 1992
Iraq calls for a halt to UNSCOM's aerial surveillance flights, stating that the aircraft and its pilot might be endangered. The President of the Security Council issues a statement reaffirming UNSCOM's right to conduct such flights. Iraq says that it does not intend to carry out any military action aimed at UNSCOM's aerial flights.

July 6-29, 1992
Iraq refuses an inspection team access to the Iraqi Ministry of Agriculture. UNSCOM said it had reliable information that the site contained archives related to proscribed activities. Inspectors gained access only after members of the Council threatened enforcement action.

January 1993
Iraq refuses to allow UNSCOM to use its own aircraft to fly into Iraq.

June-July 1993
Iraq refuses to allow UNSCOM inspectors to install remote-controlled monitoring cameras at two missile engine test stands.

November 26, 1993
Iraq accepts Resolution 715 and the plans for ongoing monitoring and verification.

October 15, 1994
The Security Council adopts Resolution 949, which demands that Iraq "cooperate fully" with UNSCOM and that it withdraw all military units deployed to southern Iraq to their original positions (emphasis added). Iraq withdraws its forces and resumes working with UNSCOM.

March 1996
Iraqi security forces refuse UNSCOM teams access to five sites designated for inspection. The teams enter the sites after delays of up to 17 hours.

March 19, 1996
The Security Council issues a presidential statement expressing its concern over Iraq's behavior, which it terms "a clear violation of Iraq's obligations under relevant resolutions." The council also demands that Iraq allow UNSCOM teams immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to all sites designated for inspection (emphasis added).

March 27, 1996
Security Council Resolution 1051 approves the export/import monitoring mechanism for Iraq and demands that Iraq meet unconditionally all its obligations under the mechanism and cooperate fully with the Special Commission and the director-general of the IAEA (emphasis added).

June 1996
Iraq denies UNSCOM teams access to sites under investigation for their involvement in the "concealment mechanism" for proscribed items.

June 12, 1996
The Security Council adopts Resolution 1060, which terms Iraq's actions a clear violation of the provisions of the council's earlier resolutions. It also demands that Iraq grant "immediate and unrestricted access" to all sites designated for inspection by UNSCOM (emphasis added).

Whats this like the fifth chance they got?

June 13, 1996
Despite the adoption of Resolution 1060, Iraq again denies access to another inspection team.

November 1996
Iraq blocks UNSCOM from removing remnants of missile engines for in-depth analysis outside Iraq.

June 1997
Iraqi escorts on board an UNSCOM helicopter try to physically prevent the UNSCOM pilot from flying the helicopter in the direction of its intended destination.

June 21, 1997
Iraq again blocks UNSCOM teams from entering certain sites for inspection.

June 21, 1997
The Security Council adopts Resolution 1115, which condemns Iraq's actions and demands that Iraq allow UNSCOM's team immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to any sites for inspection and officials for interviews (emphasis added).

Again?


September 13, 1997
An Iraqi officer attacks an UNSCOM inspector on board an UNSCOM helicopter while the inspector was attempting to take photographs of unauthorized movement of Iraqi vehicles inside a site designated for inspection.

September 17, 1997
While seeking access to a site declared by Iraq to be "sensitive," UNSCOM inspectors witness and videotape Iraqi guards moving files, burning documents, and dumping ash-filled waste cans into a nearby river.

November 12, 1997
The Security Council adopts Resolution 1137, condemning Iraq for continually violating its obligations, including its decision to seek to impose conditions on cooperation with UNSCOM (emphasis added). The resolution also imposes a travel restriction on Iraqi officials who are responsible for or participated in instances of non-compliance.

By this time when is enough, enough?

November 3, 1997
Iraq demands that US citizens working for UNSCOM leave Iraq immediately.

December 22, 1997
The Security Council issues a statement calling upon the government of Iraq to cooperate fully with the commission and stresses that failure by Iraq to provide immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to any site is an unacceptable and clear violation of Security Council resolutions (emphasis added)

February 20-23, 1998
Iraq signs a Memorandum of Understanding with the United Nations on February 23, 1998. Iraq pledges to accept all relevant Security Council resolutions, to cooperate fully with UNSCOM and the IAEA, and to grant to UNSCOM and the IAEA "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access for their inspections (emphasis added).

LOL, yeah riiiiight

August 5, 1998
The Revolutionary Command Council and the Baath Party Command decide to stop cooperating with UNSCOM and the IAEA until the Security Council agrees to lift the oil embargo as a first step towards ending sanctions.

TIMELINE



Soooo after being defiant for over ten years....we hear this

"I am pleased to inform you of the decision of the Government of the Republic of Iraq to allow the return of United Nations weapons inspectors to Iraq without conditions." - Naji Sabri, Iraq's minister of foreign affairs, September 16, 2002


Pleeease, Iraq should have been attacked a long time ago and it should have been a world wide effort. The oil was an added perk. Saddam was playing a foolish game. If he had complied with all UN resolutions, the US wouldnt have had any grounds to attack.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by ekim68

And where did that yellowcake information come from?

Niger, if I remember correctly

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

You really think Iraq is better off with S gone ?
.........

Absolutely!

[Knotbored]

Sarge- your post stated facts, which have little to do with the thinking of the liberal side of this discussion (argument?) If interspersed with the statements by all major politicians during the same time period (both liberal and conservative) including Sadam himself regarding WMD's stored there only a fool would look for any alternative reasons for the invasion.
But watch them look for alternaive reasons-hmmmm

[valis]

Originally Posted by Sarge

Im sure oil had alot to do with the war but how quickly we forget what Saddam did and didnt do.

Indeed. I doubt whether anyone in here is going to award him the Eddie Attaboy award; but again, what do YOU think was the bottom line?

I've said this from jump, even before the war started; we have zero business going there just because Saddam is/was a sadistical twit. Trust me, there are plenty of those to go around.

I've said it, ergo I believe it; we had ulterior motives to get in there. We will always maintain some sort of presence in the ME. Dunno what, or in what capacity, but I feel that I can safely say we will always maintain some sort of presence there.

And again, that reason would be oil.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by valis

don't need to see the iraq thread. I was convinced we were going after oil from jump, remember?

not picking on you but exactly how have we jumped on the oil?

Have we secured it to be sent to the US?

Have we controlled it and if so in what way?

If one wants to say we wanted to secure the safe passage and continued flow of oil in the region I would totally agree with that. The rest is just headline grabbing from the same old crowd.

Where is this oil we were after and why is it oil prices have spiked since then if it was all about the oil. Seeing how we made a grab for it?

[Wino]

Originally Posted by wacor

not picking on you but exactly how have we jumped on the oil?

Have we secured it to be sent to the US?

Have we controlled it and if so in what way?

If one wants to say we wanted to secure the safe passage and continued flow of oil in the region I would totally agree with that. The rest is just headline grabbing from the same old crowd.

Where is this oil we were after and why is it oil prices have spiked since then if it was all about the oil. Seeing how we made a grab for it?

What is it about you people not understanding much of anything??

The George W. Bush and Neocon plan to invade Iran, be greeted as liberators, depose Saddam, was SUPPOSED to make the Iraqi's all SO mushy and thankful, they would roll over and allow us to do whatever we wanted with their oil. THE PLAN DIDN'T WORK!! THE PLAN NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO EVER WORK. IT WAS A NEOCON WET DREAM.

I can't believe you twits are still defending this insane war.

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Wino

What is it about you people not understanding much of anything??

The George W. Bush and Neocon plan to invade Iran, be greeted as liberators, depose Saddam, was SUPPOSED to make the Iraqi's all SO mushy and thankful, they would roll over and allow us to do whatever we wanted with their oil. THE PLAN DIDN'T WORK!! THE PLAN NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO EVER WORK. IT WAS A NEOCON WET DREAM.

I can't believe you twits are still defending this insane war.

You guys are pathetic. You can not defend the comment so now it is a matter of the plan did not work.

I guess we never invaded and took control. Then the so called puppet govt did not do as we demanded. eh?

We understand things, it is you knee jerk liberals that still have BDS that are the ones with clouded judgement. I never said anything to indicate I was defending the war in that post. But you just keep typing. If nothing else it exercises your fingers. Your brain is a lost cause an no exercise will help it.

[Sarge]

Originally Posted by valis

Indeed. I doubt whether anyone in here is going to award him the Eddie Attaboy award; but again, what do YOU think was the bottom line?

I've said this from jump, even before the war started; we have zero business going there just because Saddam is/was a sadistical twit. Trust me, there are plenty of those to go around.

I've said it, ergo I believe it; we had ulterior motives to get in there. We will always maintain some sort of presence in the ME. Dunno what, or in what capacity, but I feel that I can safely say we will always maintain some sort of presence there.

And again, that reason would be oil.

Bottom line...imo was for the oil but...

Saddam disregarded International rules/UN Council resolutions time after time year after year. Regardless of whether we went in for oil or not, Saddam was out on parole, set by the International community and totally and blatanly disregarded those International rules.

Bottom line...imo was for the oil but...

Saddam disregarded International rules/UN Council resolutions time after time year after year. Regardless of whether we went in for oil or not, Saddam was out on parole, set by the International community and totally and blatanly disregarded those International rules.

Originally Posted by Wino

What is it about you people not understanding much of anything??

The George W. Bush and Neocon plan to invade Iran, be greeted as liberators, depose Saddam, was SUPPOSED to make the Iraqi's all SO mushy and thankful, they would roll over and allow us to do whatever we wanted with their oil. THE PLAN DIDN'T WORK!! THE PLAN NEVER HAD A CHANCE TO EVER WORK. IT WAS A NEOCON WET DREAM.

I can't believe you twits are still defending this insane war.

What is it about you people that dont understand Saddam was a criminal who invaded another country, lost a war, had all sorts of international rules imposed on him, that he agreed to and then didnt comply with. SADDAMS PLAN DIDNT WORK, WHEN WAS ENOUGH, ENOUGH?

I cant believe you numb nuts would let Saddam continue to disregard international law imposed on him by the international community and idley sit by waiting for him to do it again some day.