[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Teddy Roosevelt a "communist " ! LOL!!!!!! . Wilson and FDR ?
This conversation has got so dumb --its entertaining as comedy .
In spite of the comedy , it is scary that some may believe such horseshat .
Do you even realize how stupid a statement you have made ? .
I suggest you learn something before making such ridiculous statements .
>f

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. T. Roosevelt was the first "progressive" POTUS. Maybe he was the first "useful idiot", maybe not, but the progressives have been trying to rewrite the Constitution ever since as it is exactly as the One describes it "a list of negative rights for the government". It was written to limit what the federal government could do, not to allow it to control our lives for whatever "good" reasons the morons in government could think of. government control is socialism, which is just a step to full communism. Just because you are a communist, doesn't mean that you can change the definition of things to suit your spin.

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

Conservatives don't believe this just liberals like you masquerading as being a conservative.

Yep , I still say 4EverRight had an Obama sticker on his car or still does have it on the back of it

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Yep , I still say 4EverRight had an Obama sticker on his car or still does have it on the back of it

That would make him a very intelligent conservative.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Wino

That would make him a very intelligent conservative.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Yep , I still say 4EverRight had an Obama sticker on his car or still does have it on the back of it

Originally Posted by Wino

That would make him a very intelligent conservative.

Originally Posted by poochee

LOL The "logic" of today's Liberalism.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Well I've seen it at work from close quarters. Although it has/had nothing to do with Marx' and Engels' original (utopian) concept it's what we have come to refer to as communism.

To liken FDR (for one) to a communist is laughable. Same thing goes for BO.
But the accusation is always a good way to get parts of American society to froth at the mouth. Kinda like Pavlov's dogs mistaking the sound of the bell for food.
Yup.

I wasn't the one who made the FDR comparisson, but in today's world, FDR would be considered a Tea Bagging Winger compared to the moderate left in the country today.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by ekim68

The word of Communism comes from community as I recall.... (What happens after politics' is applied changes everyday.. )

Webster's

Com·mu·nism
Pronunciation: \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Function: noun
Etymology: French communisme, from commun common
Date: 1840
1 a : a theory advocating elimination of private property b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
2 capitalized a : a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics b : a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production c : a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably d : communist systems collectively

Marx·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈmärk-ˌsi-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1887
: the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially : a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society

..... and there you have it.
The shoe fits like Cinderella's slopper.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by Wino

That would make him a very intelligent conservative.

All true conservatives are intelligent.

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

All true conservatives are intelligent.

In what way?

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by TooBad

Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. T. Roosevelt was the first "progressive" POTUS. Maybe he was the first "useful idiot", maybe not, but the progressives have been trying to rewrite the Constitution ever since as it is exactly as the One describes it "a list of negative rights for the government". It was written to limit what the federal government could do, not to allow it to control our lives for whatever "good" reasons the morons in government could think of. government control is socialism, which is just a step to full communism. Just because you are a communist, doesn't mean that you can change the definition of things to suit your spin.

Ok , I think I understand your position . Any goverment authority ,,"control",, is socialism which is merely a step to "communism" . No wonder you think the U.S. has been ruled by communists since Teddy !
You can make a argument that all govt is socialistic in nature , by degree I suppose , but to argue that its a natural progression to Marxism is silly .
You may as well argue that Communism starts with mothers milk .
>f

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Ok , I think I understand your position . Any goverment authority ,,"control",, is socialism which is merely a step to "communism" . No wonder you think the U.S. has been ruled by communists since Teddy !
You can make a argument that all govt is socialistic in nature , by degree I suppose , but to argue that its a natural progression to Marxism is silly .
You may as well argue that Communism starts with mothers milk .
>f

You don't understand much of anything, period.

[4EverRight]

Originally Posted by poochee

4EverRight what do you think of this:

Is Conservatism Brain-Dead?
By Steven F. Hayward
Sunday, October 4, 2009

During the glory days of the conservative movement, from its ascent in the 1960s and '70s to its success in Ronald Reagan's era, there was a balance between the intellectuals, such as Buckley and Milton Friedman, and the activists, such as Phyllis Schlafly and Paul Weyrich, the leader of the New Right. The conservative political movement, for all its infighting, has always drawn deeply from the conservative intellectual movement, and this mix of populism and elitism troubled neither side.

Today, however, the conservative movement has been thrown off balance, with the populists dominating and the intellectuals retreating and struggling to come up with new ideas. The leading conservative figures of our time are now drawn from mass media, from talk radio and cable news. We've traded in Buckley for Beck, Kristol for Coulter, and conservatism has been reduced to sound bites.

President Obama has done conservatives a great favor, delivering CPR to the movement with his program of government gigantism, but this resuscitation should not be confused with a return to political or intellectual health. The brain waves of the American right continue to be erratic, when they are not flat-lining.

Consider the "tea party" phenomenon. Though authentic and laudatory, it is unfocused, lacking the connection to a concrete ideology that characterized the tax revolt of the 1970s, which was joined at the hip with insurgent supply-side economics. Meanwhile, the "birthers" have become the "grassy knollers" of the right; their obsession with Obama's origins is reviving frivolous paranoia as the face of conservatism. (Does anyone really think that if evidence existed of Obama's putative foreign birth, Hillary Rodham Clinton wouldn't have found it 18 months ago?)

Excerpts from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...d=opinionsbox1

Although Hayward did not talk to me before he wrote the article, he must have been reading what I have been writing.

He nails the difference between what I have been calling true conservatives and the antiAmerican conservatives like Rush, Ann, Sean etc.

Conservatives needed a party to voice their programs. Real conservatives sought out the, "activist" conservative to help in taking over the GOP and then moving on to dominate American politics throughout the 80's continuing today.

But the activists as Hayward said are unorganized. I suspect they are only interested in a narrow range of social issues anyway. Further, they are not really in love with America, its history and what it stands for or could become. They want America to be what they want it to be and nothing else. As they are unorganized, they have no coherent view of what that should be. Therefore, they are stuck with only saying, "no" and obstructing anything they see to their, "left".

This of course leads to paranoia and things like Tea parties and birthers.

It is really sad. We have to somehow move those that only mock, back to our conservative roots, dump the media conservatives of looks N foamingmouths and get on with promoting sustained change.

But it is a hard sell, that.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

Although Hayward did not talk to me before he wrote the article, he must have been reading what I have been writing.

He made some very good points.

[WarC]

Originally Posted by Stoner

Never fear....I don't remember seeing you change anyone's mind at this forum

When has anyone ever changed anyones mind here?

The first rule I accept when it comes to these dialogs is that I should never expect conversion of any kind. All we can hope to do is plant some subconscious seed that may infuence under some future condition.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by WarC

When has anyone ever changed anyones mind here?

Never.