[Drabdr]

One of the things I enjoy frequenting the forum here is to discuss particular matters with a very intelligent group of folks. Issues such as torture, religion, gun ownership, etc. are issues which may not have an overnight answer, but nonetheless, cannot be stored in a box and put on a shelf.

I cannot begin to imagine why another human being would carry out the actions to murder another human being(s). I would surmise most other can't either; but we do imagine how best to handle the action afterwards.

I know no one has alluded to this, but just to be clear at least with me, being for the DP is not a 'kill em all, and let God sort them out' kind of mentality. I take every single, solitary case very seriously. The states that choose to have the DP darn well better take it more seriously than I.

I think every case should be thoroughly reviewed and given the most care possible.

Say there is a case where one or two people are just murdered, for whatever reason. The prosecution builds the case, there's a fair trial, and they find the verdict of guilty. The person goes to Death Row, and pretty much, an open and shut case. Why.... should society, tax payers (who comprise the victim's family) pay to keep the vermin around? As a society, let's be rid of that individual.

Now... there are lot's of cases that are not open and shut cases, and the wheels should be slowed, and every precaution taken.

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

............ Why.... should society, tax payers (who comprise the victim's family) pay to keep the vermin around? As a society, let's be rid of that individual.........

Irrespective of whether one is pro or con DP this payment factor always keeps coming up and doesn't really do anything for the case, pro or con. Did you (did any of us) withhold that part of our taxes due that went into the financing of things we didn't like (say Iraq war but there are plenty of smaller issues which, added up, make for a lot more money spent on undesirable issues)?

Also the original premise by law makers (N.J. in this case) as mentioned in the first post was that Death Row inmates actually cost us more.

A murderer with life imprisonment here isn't kept going by MY taxes. The state (society) is kept going by OUR taxes and WE comprise that society.

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

................................................I dropped the Rick Perry name, as I would not trust him to take out my trash. Saying, it would not surprise me anything he would screw up.

Although rare, we do sometime walk on common ground. As Bush rumoredly said as he left the governorship, "If you think I'm bad, wait til you see my replacement."

[Drabdr]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Irrespective of whether one is pro or con DP this payment factor always keeps coming up and doesn't really do anything for the case, pro or con. Did you (did any of us) withhold that part of our taxes due that went into the financing of things we didn't like (say Iraq war but there are plenty of smaller issues which, added up, make for a lot more money spent on undesirable issues)?

Also the original premise by law makers (N.J. in this case) as mentioned in the first post was that Death Row inmates actually cost us more.

A murderer with life imprisonment here isn't kept going by MY taxes. The state (society) is kept going by OUR taxes and WE comprise that society.

True points, and you are right. What I am viewing this from is a victim's perspective and justice.

I would not want to pay for a convicted murderer (not an accused) to breathe another day, if someone in my family was the victim. I want justice; that justice is to execute them like they did my family member.

However, without the DP, I pay for their meals, cable TV, library, etc. every day.... giving them a life they took from my family member.

You're right; it's a societal thing. But to me, part of society's decision in having the DP should keep in mind not only what is fair and humane, but what is Just to the victim.

[Drabdr]

Originally Posted by Wino

Although rare, we do sometime walk on common ground. As Bush rumoredly said as he left the governorship, "If you think I'm bad, wait til you see my replacement."

I don't know where the guy gets his power. There are a lot of people in the Republican Party (and I mean delegates and such) who do not like him.

Our state could do better.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by buffoon

A murderer with life imprisonment here isn't kept going by MY taxes. The state (society) is kept going by OUR taxes and WE comprise that society.

Bah, that would take all of the fun in criticizing government spending. The fact that we elected the idiots is hardly relevant.

Originally Posted by Drabdr

I don't know where the guy gets his power. There are a lot of people in the Republican Party (and I mean delegates and such) who do not like him.

Our state could do better.

The more extreme ... ahem ... I mean passionate are the most likely to go to the polls.

Originally Posted by Drabdr

Our state could do better.

You mean like Dubya?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Wino

Although rare, we do sometime walk on common ground. As Bush rumoredly said as he left the governorship, "If you think I'm bad, wait til you see my replacement."

LOL It doesn't matter what the subject is, it always comes back to Bush for you.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by buffoon

I'm gonna have to start a list.

Great passport photo of yours BTW. Exactly matches what I thought.

LOL I figured the Count Buffenstein matched the Halloween theme.

LOL @ passport photo.