[wacor]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

This is why I advocate for a fair and impartial system - something I don't believe we have.

There in lays the basis for your opinions

You have tunnel vision. Which you have displayed repeatedly in this and the Polanski thread.

As to your friends that are lawyers... They must work for the ACLU

[jvic]

My condolences on your loss.I have to disagree with the death penalty.If I were facing a life sentence I would prefer death over spending the rest of my life behind bars.Let them suffer in jail and never get out.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by jvic

My condolences on your loss.I have to disagree with the death penalty.If I were facing a life sentence I would prefer death over spending the rest of my life behind bars.Let them suffer in jail and never get out.

You have a good point. Some fates are worse than death.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by wacor

There in lays the basis for your opinions

You have tunnel vision. Which you have displayed repeatedly in this and the Polanski thread.

As to your friends that are lawyers... They must work for the ACLU

If I don't have faith in the justice system, why is it tunnel vision to apply it to two different cases? I am merely being consistent. Is that a bad thing? Would you prefer a double standard?

There is nothing wrong with the ACLU. How would you propose upholding our constitution if there is no organization with the capacity to have the matters heard? Do you think it would be better served by a non-profit organization or profiteering, self-serving, hodge podge of defense attorneys. If you choose the latter, you would be supporting the notion that justice can only be had by the wealthy.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by jvic

My condolences on your loss.I have to disagree with the death penalty.If I were facing a life sentence I would prefer death over spending the rest of my life behind bars.Let them suffer in jail and never get out.

Interesting point. It makes one curious why the suicide rates are not much higher in prison than they are.
Any idiot could commit suicide in prison. It is far more simple than many understand.

[Drabdr]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

Romans 12:19-21 (King James Version)

19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Shall we take this back to the hypocrisy thread?

Well, yes, you scored a point on that one. However, I got you to knock the dust off your bible and look that one up. So my devilish plan worked.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

Well, yes, you scored a point on that one. However, I got you to knock the dust off your bible and look that one up. So my devilish plan worked.

What bible? I remember that it was in the bible so I searched for it with Google.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

I will believe the attorneys I've known since graduate school any day over the winger attorneys that post here.

Oh my the name calling. Aren't you the one that just chastised Mulder for calling you a liberal? Maybe we should start referring to you as thingahypocrite.

Bastiat, on the other hand, seems to support the idea on the bases that we should place our absolute trust in the attorneys that barter the case - combined with the opinion of judges that can have street names as "Judge Love" or "Hang 'em high". Of course, they could never be wrong.

Again, you complain bitterly that people are putting words in your mouth and you go do the same thing thingahypocrite. I haven't posted one thing on the death penalty in this thread.

[Laura87]

Originally Posted by jvic

My condolences on your loss.I have to disagree with the death penalty.If I were facing a life sentence I would prefer death over spending the rest of my life behind bars.Let them suffer in jail and never get out.

Conjecture - you don't know

You couldn't possibly know.

[Couriant]

Wow... it's one thing to hear about it... it's quite another when it's someone you know, even though we haven't met in person... I am sorry for your loss Mulder. Since this guy confessed, no doubt he would have been executed for the crimes.

One quote you made:

I understand moral opposition to the death penalty on the grounds that society should not decide who lives or dies.

Well a killer decided that their victim/s of society should die... So why can't the society decide if the killer should or should not live?

Originally Posted by LuckyStrike

I suspect that I would be having all sorts of thoughts about taking the law into my own hands and not caring about the consequences.

Well... death penalty is not an option in NJ, so worse you can do is getting life for killing the perp... or perhaps institutionalized under insanity plea...

I am pro-DP, especially for heinous crimes such as this, and Megan's.

[valis]

Originally Posted by buffoon

con.

but for reasons that do not serve in addressing this particular quandary

figured as much.

Your reasons are very valid indeed. I am still intrigued about how intrinsically different the European view of capital punishment is from the US view. Had never noticed that before.

[valis]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Life should mean life

and death should mean death.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by valis

figured as much.

Your reasons are very valid indeed. I am still intrigued about how intrinsically different the European view of capital punishment is from the US view. Had never noticed that before.

The "European View", valis, depends which group of Europeans you talk to!

The Left Wing Ivory Tower Dwelling Do Gooder Liberal Bleeding Heart believes absolutely in reclamation: they are apologists for a whole raft of causal effects which led to a person becoming a criminal and/or a sociopath.

Ergo, "It isn't his/her fault: they came from a broken home; deprived childhood; abusive parents; had no real opportunities in life; the educational system let 'em down and that's why they are illiterate and steal stuff."

Etc, etc, etc.

So, after the grand experiments in social engineering, aimed - so the LFITDDGLBH told us - in cleaning up society and solving all its ills, by simple application of rafts of benefits, social workers, comprehensive (i.e. Dumbed Down) education; more government bodies and QUANGOs (Quasi Autonomous Non Governmental Organisations: funded of course by the long-suffering taxpayer) than you can shake a stick at, the nest result is crime has zoomed: murders are proportionately twice as high today as in 1950; illiteracy has reached epidemic levels; and Britain's prisons are now so full, just last week a government report admitted cells for One prisoner were holding two: and cells for two, thrtee in an increasing number of British prisons.

Well: that worked well, didn't it!



On the alternative perspective, people oft to the right of Atilla the Hun, such as myself, are firmly behind the flog 'em; hang 'em; burn 'em principles.

Except...................................

With the incidence of miscarriages of justice themselves and a Government hell-bent on removing hard-won individual rights extant since Magna Carta and more critically, the Bill of Rights (1689), which include such trifles as Trial by Jury and imprisonment without trial and abandonment of Habeus Corpus and perhaps worse, increasing incidences of police and the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service; the final arbiters on whether a case goes to trial or not) muddling evidence- which includes DNA), then I have to state the simple reality for me:

If and I repeat IF, I can be wholly assured a person is proven guilty without the tiniest shadow of doubt they are innocent, then hang 'em!

My personal problem is that tiny nagging doubt.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

With the incidence of miscarriages of justice themselves and a Government hell-bent on removing hard-won individual rights extant since Magna Carta and more critically, the Bill of Rights (1689), which include such trifles as Trial by Jury and imprisonment without trial and abandonment of Habeus Corpus and perhaps worse, increasing incidences of police and the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service; the final arbiters on whether a case goes to trial or not) muddling evidence- which includes DNA), then I have to state the simple reality for me:

There you have it. The British like to pride themselves on the fairness and integrity of their judicial system. They may well be right. Unfortunately the justice system is underpinned by a police force, sorry service, which must rank as one of the most incompetent and useless institutions in existence. Unless of course it comes to using extreme force against anyone who dare exercise the right to free speech and protest. ACAB

If anyone's interested - probably not, I'm not really - I went to school with Sir Alec Jeffreys, the guy who invented DNA fingerprinting and profiling

[TechGuy]

Wow, I'm really sorry to hear the news of your family.

There are a lot of controversial topics that I have strong feelings about, but for some reason the death penalty just isn't one of them. I guess I haven't had anything hit close to home to make me sit down and make a decision about it. My mother always said, "two wrongs don't make a right" but at the same time there have been many cases (perhaps like this one) where I don't see any sense in letting the criminal live out his life, even if in jail. It's a tough one. I'm heading to work now, but maybe tonight I'll have to spent some time reading through this thread to get some other people's take on it.