[Paquadez]

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publis...le_57154.shtml

Restricted travel for certain people for a bit, I reckon.

Not able to visit Europe for a bit.

That should Blair meddling in Brussels!

[LANMaster]

War is hell.


Didn't I hear that Tony Blair was going to be running for President of Europe, or some such thing?

[Paquadez]

Then he'll probably be arrested, Lan!

About time too!

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publis...le_57154.shtml

Restricted travel for certain people for a bit, I reckon.

Not able to visit Europe for a bit.

That should Blair meddling in Brussels!

Won't happen.

Sadly maybe but where do we get to if any country can interpose itself judicially anywhere? That's why the gubmint here is carving a lot of things out of Spanish court's universal "authority".

Spanish courts are not recognized as an international body so they will, in these cases, always hold the onus of being self-declaredly authorized.

Whereas that is annoying wrt to tinpot dictators (and the not so tin-pot), it serves the law more.

After all we have The Hague. Internationally recognized even if the US thumb their noses at them.

[thingamajig]

There have been other countries that have participated in Iraq. The first group having intervened to liberate Quwait and the last group who are making every effort to leave.

That leaves us with the all of the participants in between. Bing it to trial. If it is inclusive, it will show the folly in even making an attempt.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

There have been other countries that have participated in Iraq. The first group having intervened to liberate Quwait and the last group who are making every effort to leave.

That leaves us with the all of the participants in between. Bing it to trial. If it is inclusive, it will show the folly in even making an attempt.

You're making the assumption that the Jurists that would be assigned to such a "trial" would be impartial and unbiased.

The UN is anything, but impartial.

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You're making the assumption that the Jurists that would be assigned to such a "trial" would be impartial and unbiased.

The UN is anything, but impartial.

Well, no Jurist is ever impartial and unbiased. Yet one can make a good case about including José María Aznar, for example.

Since the petition also includes the effect of many years of sanctions, The UN Security Council approved of them and many nations participated. It is pure folly.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Spanish courts are not recognized as an international body so they will, in these cases, always hold the onus of being self-declaredly authorized

Indeed, El Buffo.

However it it necessary to try and arraign an alleged international criminal elsehwere, before the ICC will even consider the matter.

This is not the first attempt, BTW.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

Since the petition also includes the effect of many years of sanctions, The UN Security Council approved of them and many nations participated. It is pure folly.

Most prosecutors try and throw everything at an accused: and then hone down their case subsequently.

The ICC is disparate and separate to the UN: though they tend to cooperate.

Perhaps at this juncture, it is worth re-reading the Nuremberg Principles.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp

[Paquadez]

On the matter of intended prosecutions, then this is most interesting.

http://www.newstatesman.com/religion...ir-pilger-iraq

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

Most prosecutors try and throw everything at an accused: and then hone down their case subsequently.

The ICC is disparate and separate to the UN: though they tend to cooperate.

Perhaps at this juncture, it is worth re-reading the Nuremberg Principles.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/imtconst.asp

As usual you provide interesting links. I fear though I won't find the time to read them all

I've complained enough about prosecutors using scare tactics to short-circuit due process amongst other things. I would assume that the US is not unique on this matter. I'm tired of discussing it - it either sinks in or doesn't.

I don't know why the ICC (something I know little about so it is now on my reading list.) is desperate but a poorly considered prosecution won't help them. Lending ear of of a flawed petition will lend no credibility unless it is dismissed.

All of this could be avoid if the US and others would responsibly police their own. The double standard in civil rights gives us little traction or credibility.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

I don't know why the ICC (something I know little about so it is now on my reading list.) is desperate

The ICC is the last place to be "Desperate"!

They act in a very careful and considered manner; after all, the judges and chief administrators are all celebrated lawyers in their own right.

As Pilger has pointed out, since both Bush and Blair lied through their teeth and wholly misrepresented fact they are condemned out of their own mouths.

This one has a long way to run............

And a number of serious and highy influential people are not prepared to sweep matters under the carpet.

Anyway: I'm away for 8 days now.

Hasta la vista!

Vaya con Dias amigos !

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

The ICC is the last place to be "Desperate"!

They act in a very careful and considered manner; after all, the judges and chief administrators are all celebrated lawyers in their own right.

As Pilger has pointed out, since both Bush and Blair lied through their teeth and wholly misrepresented fact they are condemned out of their own mouths.

This one has a long way to run............

And a number of serious and highy influential people are not prepared to sweep matters under the carpet.

Anyway: I'm away for 8 days now.

Hasta la vista!

Vaya con Dias amigos !

Ah, I miss read your desparate with with desperate.

And yet I believe the petition would have to narrow it's scope to be credible. If we focus on the 2003 invasion, should the leaders of Australia, Denmark, Spain, and Poland be included? Also many of the deaths were between Iraqi factions.

Enjoy your time away. You want be here to answer but perhaps there are other opinions.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by thingamajig

Well, no Jurist is ever impartial and unbiased. Yet one can make a good case about including José María Aznar, for example.

Since the petition also includes the effect of many years of sanctions, The UN Security Council approved of them and many nations participated. It is pure folly.

Um .... yeah ... that's what I meant.