[valis]

Originally Posted by ckphilli

No brainer, da Beatles. No band has touched so many and continues to touch so many. People like them because of their music...not because they escorted blues into the mainstream...Stones boy.

remember I detest the stones.

the beatles didn't do squat about the blues. They wouldn't know a blues riff if it walked up to them and bit them. The Stones are the direct link between the blues of the past and the rock of today. Much as I hate to admit it.

Alice in Chains, Pink Floyd and Robert Johnson. Between the three of them my musical needs are met, that's why.

Man, you got all bases covered there. Nice selection.

You like Waters' solo work?

Hard to top Freddie... but Robert Plant is incredible.

Yup. But has the charisma of cardboard. Freddy could get 100k people singing along with him; no topping that.

Hard one...first riff that came into my head was Layla...so I'll say Eric Clapton.

I don't really have a best one. The best I've seen is some obscure cat from the band Fourth Estate named David Beegle; acoustic and with Fourth Estate. Pretty tight with the band, can call up the bassist any time I need financial info (he's a retired Wall Streeter).

Duh, Neil Pert

see above.

[wacor]

one of the best guitar solos was the live version of Sweet Jane by Lou Reed. Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner played. Anybody that does not like this intro is not a modern music lover in my not humble opinion....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYQPYANTNFk

[valis]

LOVE that tune...........it's actually my 'friday' tune.........generally play that pretty early in the morning on every friday to set the proper tone for the day........

[wacor]

Originally Posted by valis

LOVE that tune...........it's actually my 'friday' tune.........generally play that pretty early in the morning on every friday to set the proper tone for the day........

Steve Hunter was in my house about 5 years ago and I did not even know it. My daughter had to interview somebody and she had met him at the roller rink she worked at part time. My wife had indicated that she thought he was a roadie. Only after he left the house did I find out that Hunter was his stage name. Probably for the best as I would have drooled on him in worship. He and Wagner were renown cession musicians and had done some of the Alice Cooper stuff when he really became famous.

[valis]

yeah, I've heard the cooper sessions.........but you had the dude in your HOUSE and didn't even know it?

Dude, that's like minus 12 cool points right there..........

[wacor]

Originally Posted by valis

yeah, I've heard the cooper sessions.........but you had the dude in your HOUSE and didn't even know it?

Dude, that's like minus 12 cool points right there..........

Like I said my wife thought he had been just a roadie. Was not until after he left I found out from talking to the daughter that he had done session work. Then two and two added up and she said he used a stage name. I basically only said hi to him as he was leaving. I could have kept him there for hours if I had known.

[RSM123]

I watched an episode of The Simpsons awhile back, and it included this from Homer ..

" there's Jimmy Page one of the greatest theives of American black music to ever walk the earth"

- What is the truth of this, please ?

[valis]

don't forget homer also noted that 'rock and roll attained perfection in 1974.....everyone knows that.'

[RSM123]

Glam Rock in '74



Gary Glitter
Real Name:
Paul Francis Gadd
Profile:
Flamboyant glam-rock singer whose over-the-top performances made him one of the most successful UK acts of the 1970s. Born May 8, 1940, he started his recording career as Paul Raven in 1960, but a succession of singles under this name (and later as Paul Monday) made little impact. In 1971 he jumped on the glam bandwagon, releasing the single "Rock N Roll" under the name Gary Glitter. It reached the top ten in both the UK and USA, and although it was to be his only major hit state side, in the UK it was only the first of many. His records were, for the most part, fairly basic and lacking either subtlety or originality, but were made successful by Glitter's sheer showmanship. The hits dried up in the mid-70s, though he remained in the public eye via live performances and a 1984 comeback "Another Rock N Roll Christmas", as well as being sampled by (and appearing on TV with) The Timelords for their 1988 chart-topper "Doctorin' The Tardis". He went into semi-retirement in the 1990s, putting most of his musical energy into his annual Christmas gigs. However, having fallen from grace in 1999 when convicted of child pornography and sexual offences, it now seems that his musical career is finally over.

With Gadd / Glitter in mind ....

Gary Glitter announced from his cell today that after he has
served his time he and his family will be jetting off to Florida, USA to start
afresh...
He Said "As soon as I get out, I am going to Tampa with the kids"

Q. What sparkles like a diamond and is small enough to fit in a
schoolgirl's ring?
A. Gary Glitter

Gary Glitter and his girlfriend are in Blockbuster to hire a video
for the evening. Mr. Glitter's girlfriend asks him what he wants to watch.
he says
"How about we get Aladdin ?". His girlfriend says........
"Can't we just get a video, you're in enough trouble already."

[thingamajig]

Originally Posted by valis

gad, don't get me started on the pistols..........all they were was a marketing gimmick designed to line Mclaren's pockets, and they succeeded gleefully at that. Other than that, rubbish.

I have a punk, grunge, sreamo emo son who thinks music started with the Pistols, Misfits, and Clash. A good example of never let your kids grunge garage band get out of hand especially in the bay area.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by valis

I'm an excellent music critic

I'll grant you that

I have not seen the Stones, and I will never see the Stones. The reason for this is simple; right now, the only reason they are cool is that they are an integral part of the boomer populace, and that populace still wants to think that they can rock as hard as ever, providing that the show isn't too loud and they get home at a reasonable hour. Say around 8.

Saw them in '76 at Knebworth Park. I'd like to say it was memorable but really can't remember much about it, other than the sound was lousy and the crowd was big. By that stage they were in decline, not having made a decent record since Exile. Supported by 10cc (not a festival band by any styretch of the imagination), Lynyrd Skynyrd (too much god and guns for my taste) and Todd Rundgren (very under-rated - saw him again in mid 80s, and one of the best gigs I've seen)
That the Stones are still somehow seen as relevant beats me

But I do give it up for the Stones, for they were THE band that brought blues (as in the 'song by the colored folk' blues) into the mainstream to stay. Without the Stones, I cannot even begin to fathom where music would be today. The Clash is one of my very favorite bands, and I'd say that 'London Calling' is one of the most influential albums ever made, but had the Stones not paved the way with their bluesy 'Exile on Main Street', I honestly don't think that album (London Calling, that is), would ever have been made.

Very true. The Stones broke blues and r'n'b to a white audience. British cities at the time were hosting scores of bands playing the same reinterpretations of blues standards, but the Stones had an exceptional frontman, and two guitarists in Richards and Brian Jones who really understood what playing the blues meant. John Mayall's Bluesbreakers were more "authentic", but were a bit too leftfield to break into mainstream. The Yardbirds were way ahead of the Stones experimentally, but, a few classic singles aside, are now mainly remembered for giving Clapton and Beck a break

One of the members realized that there were no black blues bands on there, and without that, you don't have rock and roll today.

Is it that the consuming demographic in the US is different to that in the UK, or at least was in the late 60s? I'd be very interested in what other US based members think, but to my mind the sound of British city club culture - the music we danced, scored and fought to - was predominantly black Americian grooves from Tamla, Stax, Atlantic. I'm talking white urban working class here, and 40 years ago British society was overwhelmingly white. Happy to be corrected but I've always assumed that white American youth has formed its musical subsultures around predominantly white American/British rock. The British understood that you can pose in front of the bedroom mirror to Frank Zappa, or get trollied to the Dead, but when it comes to bumping and grinding you can't beat Marvin Gaye

As an interesting aside, out of the four current 'major' radio venues (classic rock, alternative, heavy metal, and retro), I've only heard one band on all 4 stations; U2. Heard Boston on 3 of them, but only U2 on all four. AND we went to see Bono and crew a couple weeks ago; band called Muse opened up for them, and they most definitely gave me hope for the future of music.

Could it be that U2 are part of the problem, with their transformation from tight rock band to pompous, over-blown stadium celebrities? They've taken basic rock into the realm of conceit, just as '70s prog transformed from vital experiment into self indulgent navel gazing. Muse are a great band, although the new album smacks a bit too much of Queen riffs for my taste, but the future of rock? Probably not

Who do YOU see as the 'most influential' band out there?

Perhaps the point is they're not "out there" now. There is only so many permutations of chords that can be used to build melody and express the emotions of rock and soul, and perhaps we've mined what was a rich vein? Whatever, but the art of songwriting seems in terminal decline, if the art of performance is still relatively strong.

What is country and western music?

With a few exceptions, whining self-pitying drivel, way too rooted in the specifics of American culture to be widely important globally. Just my opinion

An album a lot of people consistently overlook is Pet Sounds, by Brian Wilson. I guess it was performed by the Beach Boys, but it most definitely was written by Master Wilson, with a specific aim in mind; the best pop album ever.

And in my mind, he hit it. After all, the two dudes who wrote what is usually acclaimed as the greatest pop album of all time, Lennon and McCartney, are both on record stating that had there not been a Pet Sounds, there would not have been a Sgt. Pepper. If they say it's better, I'm going to have to agree with them.

Slack, I know you're going to pound me for that one.

No argument from me on that one Sgt Pepper an over-rated period piece, which has not stood the test of time of Macca's other songs, nor of Wilson's classic melodies.

[valis]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

I'll grant you that

likewise.

That the Stones are still somehow seen as relevant beats me

Again, I think that it's the fact that they are boomers, and they rang (yes, 'rang'. Not 'are ringing'.) loud and true to the boomers 40 years ago. There is NO doubt about the bluesy abilities of Richards and Woods; ditto for Clapton. The fact that they brought the blues to the white audience is completely overlooked by listeners, IMO, both then and now. But the reason that they continue to stagger onto the stage is the fact that there ARE no other bands that are still around that were the voice, as it were, of the boomers.

Is it that the consuming demographic in the US is different to that in the UK, or at least was in the late 60s? I'd be very interested in what other US based members think, but to my mind the sound of British city club culture - the music we danced, scored and fought to - was predominantly black Americian grooves from Tamla, Stax, Atlantic. I'm talking white urban working class here, and 40 years ago British society was overwhelmingly white. Happy to be corrected but I've always assumed that white American youth has formed its musical subsultures around predominantly white American/British rock. The British understood that you can pose in front of the bedroom mirror to Frank Zappa, or get trollied to the Dead, but when it comes to bumping and grinding you can't beat Marvin Gaye

Pretty much the same over here. You've got it pegged square.

Perhaps the point is they're not "out there" now. There is only so many permutations of chords that can be used to build melody and express the emotions of rock and soul, and perhaps we've mined what was a rich vein? Whatever, but the art of songwriting seems in terminal decline, if the art of performance is still relatively strong.

Excellent point. I had not thought of that. As I said, every now and again I'll hear something that catches me (The Strokes, for instance, or Queens of the Stone Age, or the aforementioned Muse), but for the most part, doodely squat.

Oh yeah, and the White Stripes. But they get a bit repetitive after a bit.



With a few exceptions, whining self-pitying drivel, way too rooted in the specifics of American culture to be widely important globally. Just my opinion

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by valis

Again, I think that it's the fact that they are boomers, and they rang (yes, 'rang'. Not 'are ringing'.) loud and true to the boomers 40 years ago. There is NO doubt about the bluesy abilities of Richards and Woods; ditto for Clapton. The fact that they brought the blues to the white audience is completely overlooked by listeners, IMO, both then and now. But the reason that they continue to stagger onto the stage is the fact that there ARE no other bands that are still around that were the voice, as it were, of the boomers.

I think that's right. The only thing I'd add is that Brian Jones was probably the major blues influence within the Stones, and that it was his playing around with non traditional, in rock terms, instruments and sound designs which made the group so vibrant in the mid 60s, and made them a cut above what they's have otherwise been - a jobbing pub and club r'n'b band.

I'm a baby boomer fair and square, and share many of that demographic's traits - selfish, solipsistic, doomed to be forever trapped in teenage daydream - but I would rather spend the rest of my days living in a tent with a one-eyed goat for company than go to a Stones concert. Perhaps it's because I don't share another vital boomer charactertistic, one which has infected the modern world, which is maudling sentimentality about the past.

As I said, every now and again I'll hear something that catches me (The Strokes, for instance, or Queens of the Stone Age, or the aforementioned Muse), but for the most part, doodely squat.

Oh yeah, and the White Stripes. But they get a bit repetitive after a bit.

Yeah but none of them are really innovative. At least not musically, although the Stripes at least made you look twice, and Muse cut it as a live band, if one ignores the tendency to conspiracy theory lyrics and the lapse into Brian May guitar histrionics.

There's still new ground being hewn in Electronic music. An album I've been playing a lot is Tarot Sport by a Brit duo whose name I can't write here - the second part of the name is Buttons and the first part rhymes with ruck. Obviously they're not aiming for radio air play, which shows a certain dedication to integrity. Perhaps.

With a few exceptions, whining self-pitying drivel, way too rooted in the specifics of American culture to be widely important globally. Just my opinion

Does the fact you included that without quotes or comment mean you agree with it wholeheartedly? Beware a redneck backlash

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by wacor

one of the best guitar solos was the live version of Sweet Jane by Lou Reed. Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner played. Anybody that does not like this intro is not a modern music lover in my not humble opinion....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYQPYANTNFk

I'm honest enough to admit I'd never heard that before. Impressive. Most guitarists I know, though, and I know a few, reckon the best rock intro is Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower.

The best intro ever of course is the OJays "Backstabbers", followed closely by the Four Tops' "Reach Out"

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

Saw them in '76 at Knebworth Park. I'd like to say it was memorable but really can't remember much about it, other than the sound was lousy and the crowd was big. By that stage they were in decline, not having made a decent record since Exile. .......

Saw 'em last year in Almeria, dunno why, something about the lady wanting a coupla days out.......
Bit like your experience cep't that all (crowd included) were 22 years older. They profited from a really lousy opening band, name of which I forgot and rightly so. Not without comical moments though when Jagger raved on about his lack of satisfaction once again and we all nodded knowingly and in sympathy. Many a disc must have been slipped that night as well.

That the Stones are still somehow seen as relevant beats me

Me too but I got lots of theirs on the car's USB. Nothing after Exile though.

Very true. The Stones broke blues and r'n'b to a white audience...... ..... but the Stones had an exceptional frontman, and two guitarists in Richards

still one of the worst best guitars

and Brian Jones who really understood what playing the blues meant.

Yup.

giving Clapton and Beck a break

the former being ok with me in Cream. Saw Bruce and Ginger some years ago. Ah well

Could it be that U2 are part of the problem, with their transformation from tight rock band to pompous, over-blown stadium celebrities? They've taken basic rock into the realm of conceit, just as '70s prog transformed from vital experiment into self indulgent navel gazing.

I have the same problem with Floyd but I guess I'll listen to theirs (with or without Waters but definitely WITH Gilmour) til the day I croak.

Muse are a great band, although the new album smacks a bit too much of Queen riffs for my taste, but the future of rock? Probably not

Queen and Paul Rogers is/are a torture LIVE. Rogers is probably all right on his own and that's what he should have stuck to being. May has enough about him to make it his show (does The Brian May band still exist?) and the attempt to replace Freddie with whomever just so that it's Queen or the nearest thing deserves the failure it turns into.

Perhaps the point is they're not "out there" now.........

Och aye

With a few exceptions, whining self-pitying drivel, way too rooted in the specifics of American culture to be widely important globally. Just my opinion

Reactionary farmers' music

Wilson's classic melodies.

Drabdr? mentioned "Heroes and Villains". Brilliant.

Knopfler was great in Dire Straits but I get kinda tired of him solo. No blemish on his guitar intended but commerce stunts of performing with the likes of Emmylou Harris don't endear him much to me. I used to hate that already when Bowie did it with Jagger, Bowie with Turner and Turner with Jagger (nice touch though when Jagger ripped her skirt off).

But jam sessions belong in Jazz. Which makes my favourite drummer Gene Krupa

Sorry