[wacor]

First time I saw Bryan Ferry and .Roxy Music..... I had eaten brownies on the way. That was a first time and what a special mellow buzz it was which emanated from you torso outward. Anyway the show was incredible but the crowd was the real thing to see. You had typical geer head types dressed denum and leather to the other end of the spectrum of a guy and girl in dress and tux drinking expensive champagne.

Oh and the show was damn well worth it. Ferry is up there with his pressence and signing ability

They also had Eddie Jobson who took over for Eno ............... Eddie was really good on keyboards but his electric violin was the bomb. Truly amazing what he could do with it.

[valis]

what, no comment on the parallels between the Beatles and the Clash?

I'll give it up for Eno and Roxy Music all day, any day. Great band, so far ahead of their time they are just now beginning to get a good following. Sorta like the Heads.........

regardless, I want to see some parallels drawn twixt the songwriting and musical 'aim' of the Beatles and the Clash.

We'll call it extra credit........

[wacor]

Originally Posted by valis

jesus, bill, those are all shows I'd gladly kill for. Those are ALL killer shows.

Detroit rock city, I guess...............one of my biggest regrets is not hitting CBGB's before it closed; ditto for Hammersmith Palais on your side of the pond, Slack......

Jaco was good. Saw him live at Pine Knob playing for Jonie Mitchell around the Miles of Aisles time period

Saw the Original Genisis with Peter Gabriel. You talk about weird. It was the first concert I ever went to. It was on Holloween. Gabriel was dressed up in some odd get up and spent a good time inside of this paper tube that was like a gigantic snake.

Saw Talking Heads at Masonic Temple back in the day. A great venue

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by valis

another drummer who is vastly, vastly underrated is Stewart Copeland from the Police.

Stewart Copeland is unusual amongst the drumming community in that he's very intelligent, a fine composer and a very accomplished guitarist. Belies the old joke about drummers, as in "what do you call someone who hangs out with musicians...."

Dave Grohl's the same.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by valis

That REALLY surprises me. I've been rockin' out to that song for 20 years now, and it's over 30 years old..........probably the best 5 minute 'intro' I've ever heard.

Well I never really took to the Velvets, a bit too ponderous and way too serious for my tastes at the time. I suppose you just about could pull to a Velvets song, but the process would involve too much discussion, and the end result would be far from certain

the police were most definitely underrated; they don't, however, have the tag of 'most underrated band in musical history'.

That belongs to Cheap Trick.

I don't think the Police can be called under-rated in any sense, given they enjoyed both huge commercial success and good critical acclaim, at least in the early days.

Big Country? Sold the product but not appreciated critically for some reason. Been playing old vinyl of theirs a lot recently. Great guitar work from Stuart Adamson and Canadian guitarist Bruce Watson.

Most over-rated?

The Doors win this category hands down for me, and Jim Morrison was the most over-rated frontman, and the archetype for the sort of "take me seriously" ego inflation which has infected popular music (Bono and Bowie spring instantly to mind)

[valis]

overrated? Nirvana, hands down. Jeeze, I hate that band.....

[wacor]

I got to see Terry Kath play live before he died. It was also at Pine Knob. I was utterly amazed at how good that guy was and how it did not show up as much on album as live. Chicago early on when they were CTA was da bomb in my book

[wacor]

anybody ever listen to Armagedden ? I think they only had one album. Keith Ralf was on vocals. He was in the original Yardbirds

Or how about Bloodrock2 - D.O.A??

[Drabdr]

So every group/performer that is mainstream/commercially successful is overrated?

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

So every group/performer that is mainstream/commercially successful is overrated?

Your question obviously already contains the rebuttal and yup, I can see the conundrum.
Does quantity (sold) already make for quality? Does the fact that a band is still around make its music "good" even though it disgusts me? We get to arguing taste and one can't really do that. Well, one can but it's totally pointless.

On the other hand I would argue that commercial success does not necessarily make for quality of the product. If I were to advocate the ingestion of excrement because billions of flies cannot err.......

[valis]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

So every group/performer that is mainstream/commercially successful is overrated?

hardly. at one point in time they were the unknown. Again, I present the Clash, whom I would put at numero uno for the most influential band 1975-2000. They didn't exist in 1974, and began playing sets together with a mike that Joe Strummer had stolen from the roof of the London Opera taped to a broomstick and wedged in between some cinderblocks.

As is so frequently the case in music history, it's the tale, not he who tells it.

With everything else, it's the opposite.