[wacor]

Originally Posted by ekim68

And how would you determine conservative values, eh? I've heard about fiscal conservatives but I don't understand where they're coming from..

There in lies the problem. You are so entrenched in your liberal views you don't even get the fact we are driven deeper into bankruptcy every day. How on earth can you have your head so buried in the sand??

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

I am beginning to think you are not a conservative. You do not seem to hold any deeply placed values that would indicate me wrong.

All I get from you is that you hate America and what it stands for. You do not appear to like most Americans anyway.

You may be a lost soul conservative. One that grew up when Reagan was popular and got entranced by Rush and his ilk.

But I do not hear conservative values coming from your posts.

LMAO! You're as bad a comedian as you are a bad actor.


Apparently I struck a nerve by being critical of 4EverPretenting's style of Republican.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

Here I thought you were a real conservative, like me. Maybe you are one of the hate America conservatives that have taken over and are leading us to ruin.

Please say it ain't so.

You're xico, aren't you?

(apologies to xico)

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

Only a Progressive can't comprehend the difference. The proper title would be the growing rift between Libertarians and Conservatives.

How about the growing rift between Democrats and Communists.

Don't you mean the growing MERGING of Democrats and Communists??

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You're xico, aren't you?

(apologies to xico)

No apologies necessary LAN.

[4EverRight]

Originally Posted by ekim68

And how would you determine conservative values, eh? I've heard about fiscal conservatives but I don't understand where they're coming from..

I see this is a real issue. You are not the first to suggest this. You see, I think there are many conservatives that have strayed from our belief system. Many I see, hang out here I think.

Therefore, I think we have to go back to the basics and examine how conservatives tick. That will give you an insight into the values they hold. I will help you to understand.

Now, the problem I have as a real conservative is that there are many that claim to be conservative and really are not. They are further to the right and out of the mainstream. Often times they really do hate America and wishes it harmed. If you follow many of the so called conservatives spokespersons and radio and Fox television people you see how they have little regard for American values and they want them destroyed.

But there are some of us, few remaining I must add, that are conservative and still love America. I will make an attempt in my commentary to point that out.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

I see this is a real issue. You are not the first to suggest this. You see, I think there are many conservatives that have strayed from our belief system. Many I see, hang out here I think.

Therefore, I think we have to go back to the basics and examine how conservatives tick. That will give you an insight into the values they hold. I will help you to understand.

Now, the problem I have as a real conservative is that there are many that claim to be conservative and really are not. They are further to the right and out of the mainstream. Often times they really do hate America and wishes it harmed. If you follow many of the so called conservatives spokespersons and radio and Fox television people you see how they have little regard for American values and they want them destroyed.

But there are some of us, few remaining I must add, that are conservative and still love America. I will make an attempt in my commentary to point that out.

Big on rhetoric, empty on substance.

Please expound on what you (as apparently the ONLY real Conservative at this forum) believe some of the core Conservative values are.

Feel free to list 3 or 4 clear, succinct, and unambiguous core valued of the Conservative movement are, and should be, and worth fighting for, as you see them.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by 4EverRight

I see this is a real issue. You are not the first to suggest this. You see, I think there are many conservatives that have strayed from our belief system. Many I see, hang out here I think.

Therefore, I think we have to go back to the basics and examine how conservatives tick. That will give you an insight into the values they hold. I will help you to understand.

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Big on rhetoric, empty on substance.

Please expound on what you (as apparently the ONLY real Conservative at this forum) believe some of the core Conservative values are.

Feel free to list 3 or 4 clear, succinct, and unambiguous core valued of the Conservative movement are, and should be, and worth fighting for, as you see them.

I'm with Lan on this one.

So Mr. The-Only-Conservative-at-TSG please expand and pontificate upon what you believe the core conservative values are and that are lacking by the "alleged" conservatives at TSG.

(P.S.--Lan-- the "4EverPretenting"----snort --snort)

[LANMaster]

I hope that he takes me up on the challenge.
Certainly he has the cojones to tell us what he believes, yes?

Especially since he is so concerned about his Conservative values being hijacked.

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I hope that he takes me up on the challenge.
Certainly he has the cojones to tell us what he believes, yes?

Especially since he is so concerned about his Conservative values being hijacked.

Well, while we're at it, how do you interpret Conservative values? What are they conserving?

[wacor]

Conservatives are for conserving the constitution and capitalism. Something the liberals appear to have no interest in. Seems like a good cause we have given the fact it is what built this country. While the statist and socialist agenda the left adores does not and has little positive to show for itself in other countries.

Except Xico's wet dream land Cuba

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

I hope that he takes me up on the challenge.
Certainly he has the cojones to tell us what he believes, yes?

Especially since he is so concerned about his Conservative values being hijacked.

< CRICKETS >

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by wacor

Conservatives are for conserving the constitution and capitalism.

What rights does the Constitution give Capitalism? (I know off subject and such).....
But I'm curious about which level of capitalism Conservatives are concerned about conserving...

(Obviously not labor, eh? )

[wacor]

Originally Posted by ekim68

What rights does the Constitution give Capitalism? (I know off subject and such).....
But I'm curious about which level of capitalism Conservatives are concerned about conserving...

(Obviously not labor, eh? )

Did I say the constitution gave rights to Capitalism?

Capitalism is not perfect and never will be. I am not for anarchy with zero regulations but regulations that are realistic and based on needs and common sense and not knee jerk crap like we get.

Your utopia might be found over in some communist country. There everybody is dummed down to a lower level. That works so well that people risk there lives to flee Cuba in cardboard rafts I hear.

If one only listened to you liberals they would think we have slave workers still, and children working in sweat shops. Last I looked those days disappeared long, long ago. In the meantime you have public sector and auto unions that have totally ripped us off and created instability and costs that are not sustainable. You can have your $20 minimum wage but I doubt the union workers will be very happy when as a result their wages and benefits are gutted along with many jobs being eliminated. Lifting some up by bringing others down is not a very wise way to go but that is basically what you are for. Whether you want to admit it or not.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Well, while we're at it, how do you interpret Conservative values? What are they conserving?

I'd love to:

But you parse the question so interestingly, that I feel I must fiokrst ask, What are Liberals liberating? .... aside from liberating earnings from earners? (BTW Progressive is just another word for Liberal)

What are Conservative values?

Well, the dictionary defines Conservative as preserving existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

I do not think that generalized definition grasps the essense of what Conservative valies are, IMO.

I decided to search out some key points, so many of these are either not my words or modified from what I found.

• Don't over tax
• Limit Government so that each American is responsible for success or failure
• Hold People accounable for their actions.
• Support our military. This cannot be accomplished while opposing their mission.
• Support each persons right to exercize their religion (or lack there of)
• Oppose socailism.
• Abortion is wrong. Stop teaching that it is merely a mistake, or somehow virtuous to abort a human being, or that there is nothing wrong with abortion.
• Global warming is not the fault of humanity or Capitalism. Current legislation will have no impact, whatsoever, on the global climate. Saving jobs and the economy are far more important at this time. Surrendering US sovereignty is utterly idiotic.
• The public education system is poor. Private education is far superior. Why not support vouchers to give parents the FREEDOM to sent their kids wherever they want?
• Preserve American Capitalism. Regulate with reasonable expectations, and reward companies that provide American jobs, and reduce their impact on the environment.
• The conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. That order is made for man, and man is made for it: human nature is a constant, and moral truths are permanent.
• Conservatives believe that freedom and private property are closely linked.
• Conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism.
• The Conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions.

• Traditional family values and the sanctity of marriage
• A small, non-invasive government
• A strong national defense focused on protection and the fight against terrorism
• A respect for faith and religion
• The right to life for every human being