[aka Brett]

I worked at a place which caused exposure to muslims...dependent on where I had to go that day...my exposure could be as many as 30 or more in a day

[iltos]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Freedom of religion should not be extended to REAL muslims correct{there is a differance}...as this will interfere with the health and well being of many a citizen in the states.

understood....the Department of True Religion...i already got that part.

For you see the real muslims just dont care at all for Christians and it is the desire to kill them

this would seem to be saying that the only REAL muslims are terrorists......
i suppose that's one way to look at it

therefore I am not for the promption of the muslim faith.....I have no problem with it...however they can keep that stuff over there in the dunes.

back to the Department of True Religion, then.....this ain't a hole you're in, brett, is a dang maze

here's another dead end

A true hardcore muslim living by his faith has a major problem with the non muslim faith....wars have been going on for ages and it is based on this religion...Kill the christians

but in your next post, you say

Now how much times passes before it is ok to kill another based off freedom of expression of religion?

it's either "ages of war" or we're waiting for war....which is it?

or this

....Dont believe it...jump on a jumbo jet and go deep in the middle east...you will be beheaded for you are not a muslim..it will be a real muslim that taketh the knife and sloppily cut ther head off while the rest cheer and dance.....again all muslims.

so....all "real" muslims live in the middle east?
what about those appointees?

Fact you can probably walk in out of these churches for years...be treated rather nicely and come out a better man.

unless you're a muslim
no worries, tho....the Department of True Religion will protect the "real" houses of worship from those "infidels" -to borrow a word .

do yourself a favor....don't take what all those god-fearing christain blogs are saying and try to construct a coherent arguement out of them......
they'll convert into the very thing you most fear....tho you probably won't care, because you'll still be "an American" (in their eyes)

or maybe.....you been drinkin tonight, brett?

[aka Brett]

Lets be realistic...most religions dont involve murder as acceptable.
We can bend flex all we want...we have people here running around with horse and wagon that dont pay taxes due to religion.

We have children in school that sit out in the hallway during a birthday party at school or while passing valentines....for you see to have freedom of religion is to honor their religion and accept it.

In response to your response to me regarding war and religion..its a fact that there are wars based on this alone.

The religion is fine I have no problem with it as I have said,,,,But as posted earlier...I cant promote it here due to murder being ok beating women etc....as said their book is law to them..so therfore its ok.

Why do they whine about property searched at the airport? how long before nationally we can not do that any longer?...Due to religious reasons...I am serious

[iltos]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Lets be realistic...most religions dont involve murder as acceptable.
We can bent flex all we want...we have people here running around with horse and wagon that dont pay taxes due to religion.

We have children in school that sit ou in the hallway during a birthday party at school or while passing valentines....for you see to have freedom of religion is to honor their religion and accept it.

In response to your response to me regarding war and religion..its a fact that there are wars based on this alone.

The religion is fine I have no problem with it as I have said,,,,But as posted earlier...I cant promote it here due to murder being ok beating women etc....as said their book is law to them..so therfore its ok.

Why do they whine about property searched at the airport? how long before nationally we can not do that any longer?...Due to religious reasons...I am serious

i have no prob with your concerns, brett....my arguement is using "those" sources as support for them.....

on matters of the christain faith and how it relates to the problems in the world today, you'd be better off seeking counsel from poochee (hi poochee ....)

[valis]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

My take exactly valis , and I am not surprised at your response . >f

great minds, fidelista, great minds...........

[valis]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Am I thinking to much into this?

Yes, you are. Remember the 'Elder of Zion', or some such crapola about how the Jews were forming a secret society to overtake the world?

You are doing the same thing. Essentially, you are actively participating in religious persecution, and I"m a bit surprised by that, b-man..........

[valis]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Freedom of religion should not be extended to REAL muslims correct{there is a differance}...as this will interfere with the health and well being of many a citizen in the states.

oh, give me a freakin' break. Now you are just being a racist twit with comments like that. Of COURSE freedom of religion should be extended to EVERYONE, regardless of race OR creed.

Sheesh.

For you see the real muslims just dont care at all for Christians and it is the desire to kill them,,,therefore I am not for the promption of the muslim faith....

No, brett, those are the extremists I told you about, and said you were overlooking. regular muslims are just like you and me. Or like Lew Alcindor or Cassius Clay, for that matter. Or even Cat Stevens.

Now start walking in and out of REAL muslim places of worship...I dont expect it to be that friendly.........I would recommend some good running shoes be purchased before hand

I have, on several occasions. I was actually treated a LOT better than at any time I go to my sisters R.C. churches. Heck, we even were invited to a very, very traditional muslim marriage; damn thing went for three days, we were invited on the second, and it was a blast.

Bottom line; do I agree with the tenets and beliefs? Nope. But should they be allowed to have them? Damn straight.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by valis

what's the big deal?

I work with several dozen devout muslims. I also work with several dozen devout catholics, and am related to a roman catholic YEC'er. Can't get much worse than that.

What you are missing, brettman, is the extremist factor. Timothy McVeigh was Catholic, but he was an extremist.

The extremist is the wild card; no telling what the hell is going to happen.

I agree with Valis on this one. It's no big deal.
Brett, show me where the guy has made extremist statements, and you may have a case. Otherwise he is merely practicing his religious beliefs, which should always garner protection in this country.

If we prevent people from practicing their religious beliefs by preventing them to excel in our society, then we are adopting fascism.

So the guy is a devout Muslim. So what? If your point is to make all US citizen Muslims suspect to terrorism charges, then I must seriously question your patriotism. yes, your patriotism.

Shame on you, Brett.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by iltos

i have no prob with your concerns, brett....my arguement is using "those" sources as support for them.....

on matters of the christain faith and how it relates to the problems in the world today, you'd be better off seeking counsel from poochee (hi poochee ....)

How did you know I was here?

[iltos]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Shame on you, Brett.

amen brother....
this is a seriously wierd thread

[iltos]

Originally Posted by poochee

How did you know I was here?

we mods are omniscent

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by iltos

amen brother....
this is a seriously wierd thread

Yep

valis------>Bottom line; do I agree with the tenets and beliefs? Nope. But should they be allowed to have them? Damn straight.

Agreed.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by poochee

How did you know I was here?

He's stalking you ....

[poochee]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

He's stalking you ....

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[buffoon]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

I am talking about real muslims not wanna be muslims
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Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and loyal citizen?

1. Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia, turned monothistic.
2. Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran.
3. Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
4. Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam demands that he make no friends of Christians and Jews (Q. 5:51)
5. Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullah, who teaches annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
6. Domestically, no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Q. 4:34).
7. Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam—intolerance (Q. 2:256).
8. Intellectually, no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is established on Biblical principles, and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
9. Philosophically, no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is dictatorial or autocratic except Turkey.
10. Spiritually, no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian’s God is a triune God, while the Muslim’s is one entity called "Allah," who is never a heavenly Father, nor is he ever called "Love" in the 99 excellent names.

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-kills-oxymoron.htm

Sure its not the casual muslim who are the terrorists who beat women in the street and chop off heads in the sand...its the real muslims.
Sure we have had some extreme nuts who have claimed to do their deed in the name of Christianity.

I would like someone to take this opportunity to show me one christian army that bombs buildings, chops off heads, hides in caves,kills american soldiers and citizens......Its not in the news anyway.

Am I thinking to much into this?

Is it actually safe for me to go deep into the land of the Muslims?

Your presumably making the above into something like the (Muslim) ten commandments (the figure is intentionally no coincidence?) I am resisting the urge to refute the ten points one by one or to point out some other 10 points equally distasteful that I could equally apportion to any religion of my choice.

The point being that they would be as concocted as yours with the aim of fitting an agenda already decided upon.

As far as Christian armies doing what you would like to see proof of, supplying you with that wouldn't be too difficult unless the killing of Americans and the hiding in caves is an absolute must.

If this is the result of your having gone into "medias res" for a while to overcome a bout of writing burnout you mentioned some time ago, then, Brettman, you shoulda made your rest somewhat longer.

And before you decide to debate the above 10 points, consider that I've forgotten more about Islam already than you will ever learn.





P.S. No, it isn't safe for you to go into the land of the muslims. In fact it isn't safe for you anywhere. Best stay at home