[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

What'd I miss?

While mankind was ascending........we were practicing an old fashioned beat down

[paisanol69]

Originally Posted by Stoner

While mankind was ascending........we were practicing an old fashioned beat down

I can think of one member here, that is very happy you have decided to focus your attentions elsewhere, I think he was getting VERY tired of being slapped down every time he tried to defend his baloney posts/threads...espically the ones posted in the wrong forums...

[Paquadez]

I well remember Dr Bronowski's BBC TV programmes many years ago.

I quite liked him.

However his scholarship would, I fear, rather preclude him from any objective commentary or analysis on the writings and hypotheses of Karl Marx.

He was principally a Mathemetician, who later turned Biologist and later, an associate director of the Salk Institute (Think Salk Vaccine for Polio Myelitis).

Perhaps of interest is the fact that my good lady wife is the great great niece of a man named Johan George Eccarius, who fled Germany with Marx and Engels and settled in London.

We have been researching this history now for some time: and shortly hope to visit the museum in Amsterdam, where many of Eccarious's and Marx's original letters and writings are held.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...ernational.pdf

Marx and Engels perspectives and hypotheses concerning labour and capital were set in a time where despite the benefits (To the few) of the Industrial Revolution, a vast majority of people in Western and Eastern Europe were wholly exploited in the most dreadful manner.

This went on in America for much longer: study the history of US Trades Unions as a starting point. And Bethlehem Steel, Ford and etc; ans their abuse of strikers by such as Mr Pinkerton's thugs.

Around the time of Marx, many other social reformers were writing, campaigning and agitating for reform: amongst these most notable being such as Thomas Pain, The Earl of Shaftesbury, Charles Dickens, et al.

Politically, the increasing cry for social and economic reform, caused a string of Liberal politicians to destroy the main opposition (The Whigs) and the birth of a new right wing party the Conservative and Unionst Party: now simply the Conservative Party.

Liberal, in this sense, does not share the odious connotation it enjoys amongst NeoCon Americans and mouth-foaming ranters such as Mulder!



Marx's writing and core theories were promulgated around an age when one widely distributed and incestuous noble family effectively owned and ruled most of Europe: the Gotha-Saxe-Coburg-Hapsburg-Bourbons.

As European socio-economic advance proceeded, albeit slowly, Marx's concept of a quasi-anarchic paradigm shift evaporated.

An unfortunate reality was that some of Marx's and Engels core concepts were later highjacked by such as Lenin: and later Mao and described as "Communism".

They never were truly encapsulated as Marx et al intended.

Sadly, we now hear with increasing and monotonous regularity, the perjorative sobriquets, "Marxist", "Communist", "Facist", "Racist", "Nazi", "Liberal", invariably used as non sequitors by those in inorance of true meaning and derivation.

Pity.

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

I well remember Dr Bronowski's BBC TV programmes many years ago.

I quite liked him.

However his scholarship would, I fear, rather preclude him from any objective commentary or analysis on the writings and hypotheses of Karl Marx.

He was principally a Mathemetician, who later turned Biologist and later, an associate director of the Salk Institute (Think Salk Vaccine for Polio Myelitis).

Perhaps of interest is the fact that my good lady wife is the great great niece of a man named Johan George Eccarius, who fled Germany with Marx and Engels and settled in London.

We have been researching this history now for some time: and shortly hope to visit the museum in Amsterdam, where many of Eccarious's and Marx's original letters and writings are held.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx...ernational.pdf

Marx and Engels perspectives and hypotheses concerning labour and capital were set in a time where despite the benefits (To the few) of the Industrial Revolution, a vast majority of people in Western and Eastern Europe were wholly exploited in the most dreadful manner.

This went on in America for much longer: study the history of US Trades Unions as a starting point. And Bethlehem Steel, Ford and etc; ans their abuse of strikers by such as Mr Pinkerton's thugs.

Around the time of Marx, many other social reformers were writing, campaigning and agitating for reform: amongst these most notable being such as Thomas Pain, The Earl of Shaftesbury, Charles Dickens, et al.

Politically, the increasing cry for social and economic reform, caused a string of Liberal politicians to destroy the main opposition (The Whigs) and the birth of a new right wing party the Conservative and Unionst Party: now simply the Conservative Party.

Liberal, in this sense, does not share the odious connotation it enjoys amongst NeoCon Americans and mouth-foaming ranters such as Mulder!



Marx's writing and core theories were promulgated around an age when one widely distributed and incestuous noble family effectively owned and ruled most of Europe: the Gotha-Saxe-Coburg-Hapsburg-Bourbons.

As European socio-economic advance proceeded, albeit slowly, Marx's concept of a quasi-anarchic paradigm shift evaporated.

An unfortunate reality was that some of Marx's and Engels core concepts were later highjacked by such as Lenin: and later Mao and described as "Communism".

They never were truly encapsulated as Marx et al intended.

Sadly, we now hear with increasing and monotonous regularity, the perjorative sobriquets, "Marxist", "Communist", "Facist", "Racist", "Nazi", "Liberal", invariably used as non sequitors by those in inorance of true meaning and derivation.

Pity.

All very well Don Paco (y qué tal contigo?),
but we're not going to fall prey to a complex assessment where simple prejudice will serve our (equally simple) opinion. Especially since we already have formed one.

[Paquadez]

Muy bien gracias.

¿Y espero que todo vaya bien en Almaria?

No indeed, El Buffo.

Another case, I fear, of "Don't try and confuse me with the facts: I already have an opinion!"

[SlackAli]

Emotions too often replace thought nowadays: "I feel something therefore it must be true". If Bronowski penned his work today, he'd more accurately title it The Descent of Man.

[TooBad]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

Emotions too often replace thought nowadays: "I feel something therefore it must be true". If Bronowski penned his work today, he'd more accurately title it The Descent of Man.

And just who, in the US anyway, works on pure emotion and who works on facts and logic?

[pyritechips]

Originally Posted by iltos

if LAN responds, i'll change the title of this puppy and move it to CD
it would be an interesting topic....i think "the ascent of man" was one of the finest TV productions ever made.

good post, btw

Agreed. I have the book and it is a fine read. To so quickly and crassly denounce it is an injustice. I suggest the thread starter actually read the text, if he has not already done so.