[Noyb]

Originally Posted by poochee

Sorry to hear that..

Thanks .. I figured I poke a Hornets nest today for something to do.

Currently, our plans are to build a fast powered Wheel Chair .. Then she can go rob a Bank.
If She gets away .. Then we might be able to afford to live a little longer.
If Not .. Then the State can take car of her and provide her Medical coverage.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Noyb

Thanks .. I figured I poke a Hornets nest today for something to do.

Currently, our plans are to build a fast powered Wheel Chair .. Then she can go rob a Bank.
If She gets away .. Then we might be able to afford to live a little longer.
If Not .. Then the State can take car of her and provide her Medical coverage.

Good luck!

[Wino]

Originally Posted by Noyb

My wife is disabled .. And it's in her records that she may need back surgery soon.
Currently, her prescriptions run about $900/mth.

And we just lost my GM Retirement Health Coverage .. Think we can get coverage now ??
Who's Head is in the sand ???

Very sorry to hear of your plight. Keep your chin up.

You got the standard pat winger response. They care not for anyone, but themselves. If they really believed what they say, they would refuse to accept SS and Medicare payments for themselves and/or their parents. If neither of those programs existed and they had to foot the bill for their aging parents, they would give a whole new meaning to rationing health care as they expediently throw them under the bus.

I wish you luck on the bank heist plan.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Wino

You got the standard pat winger response. They care not for anyone, but themselves. If they really believed what they say, they would refuse to accept SS and Medicare payments for themselves and/or their parents. If neither of those programs existed and they had to foot the bill for their aging parents, they would give a whole new meaning to rationing health care as they expediently throw them under the bus.

Amen!

[coderitr]

How is that different than what the health insurance industry has been doing for decades? You don't want a government bureaucrats making health care decisions for you, you'd rather have a private bureaucrat whose only concerns are the company profit margin and his next bonus check to do that.

What can people not understand about the concept competition drives prices down? A public option does exactly that. It forces the private companies to fall in line or price themselves out of the market. The complaints running around now are the very same ones that were running around in the 1960's before Medicare passed.

[Snagglegaster]

Originally Posted by poochee

I also suspect that if we weren't having the healthcare debate, this would have slid by without as much notice and may have taken effect.

But it happened at the right time for it to be corrected.

A study completed in 1997 reported very similar results to the current study, and it also stirred up a bunch of controversy including a Congressional investigation. While some of the new recommendations seem counter-intuitive, they will be clearer perhaps when more of the statistics are examined and analyzed.

It would also be a mistake to forget that doctors have a financial ox that might be getting gored. In particular, the new study claims that women who perform self exams have a much higher rate of mammographies and biopsies than women who don't do self exams, but virtually the same mortality rate. There were generally similar findings in a study on the prevention and treatment of prostate cancer a few months ago.

[Mulderator]

Originally Posted by Noyb

And we just lost my GM Retirement Health Coverage .. Think we can get coverage now ??
Who's Head is in the sand ???

You can thank the Democrats and the unions for that--if they weren't so damn greedy and hadn't run GM into the ground, you wouldn't be in the position you are in. The problem you have is the same one we have now in California with all the ridiculous benefits being given to government union workers--the state is now bankrupt because the Democrats had to pay off the unions for their campaign contributions by selling the state out. We now have to cut all kinds of other very valuable benefits to pay for the excess. You are paying to price to far too much union excess and demands for far too many years--you are paying the price for union greed and a system so corrupt that it virtually guaranteed the result you got.

But hey--keep voting for Democrats and liberals because they are going to make sure you are taken care of and its all going to be absolutely FREE!!!

[Noyb]

Being salaried, I could see the Greed .. And the hourly still has their benefits.

I’m not sure it’s a Republican or Democrat thing any more.
If we would have had more controls on our financial system it wouldn’t be flooding to the top (or overseas) with non trickling down.

Everything Ross Perot predicted is coming true .. Remember when he ran for Prez ??

I was a middle class Republican .. But the more they open their stupid mouths … The more they loose my vote.

I think the next time .. I will not vote for anyone who’s been in office more than one term.
It sure looks to me like someone is controlling them .. And telling them what to say.
I think it’s time to bust up the Chain of Command ... And maybe get some who can think for themselves.

And don’t expect me to buy GM again.

[JohnWill]

Originally Posted by Wino

You got the standard pat winger response. They care not for anyone, but themselves. If they really believed what they say, they would refuse to accept SS and Medicare payments for themselves and/or their parents. If neither of those programs existed and they had to foot the bill for their aging parents, they would give a whole new meaning to rationing health care as they expediently throw them under the bus.

Actually, if the government would simply give back the money with interest they've been taking from me for 40+ years for SS, I'd cheerfully allow them to keep my SS and Medicare! See what you can do to arrange for that to happen.

[Knotbored]

Why does it always boil down to "the cost of insurance" and not to "the cost of medical." It seems to me the amazing amount of paperwork plus the exposed corruption is more of a cause then salaries of company managers. (Although I agree managers salaries for all corporations are way out of line compared to folks producing products.)

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Noyb

My wife is disabled .. And it's in her records that she may need back surgery soon.
Currently, her prescriptions run about $900/mth.

And we just lost my GM Retirement Health Coverage .. Think we can get coverage now ??
Who's Head is in the sand ???

You think this will be better or cheaper for her under the government?

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by poochee

I also suspect that if we weren't having the healthcare debate, this would have slid by without as much notice and may have taken effect.

But it happened at the right time for it to be corrected.

Puleeze. Are you so blind that you can't see anything?

Reccomendations like this will slip in by the thousands after this disaster of a bill passes and becomes law.

[Noyb]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

You think this will be better or cheaper for her under the government?

Which is cheaper ....
A percentage of my income in Taxes ...
Or medical insurance/costs ... That costs more than I make ?? ... Assuming I can get insurance.

I've never heard that this is a government thing ..
Other trying to make some laws for "Fair Play" ..
and maybe trying to establish some competition.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Puleeze. Are you so blind that you can't see anything?

Reccomendations like this will slip in by the thousands after this disaster of a bill passes and becomes law.

The thousands?

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Noyb

Which is cheaper ....
A percentage of my income in Taxes ...
Or medical insurance/costs ... That costs more than I make ?? ... Assuming I can get insurance.

I've never heard that this is a government thing ..
Other trying to make some laws for "Fair Play" ..
and maybe trying to establish some competition.

Again, many who are well covered by insurance, could care less about those that aren't. They are more interested in themselves and the fear of perhaps paying a few more taxes.