[LANMaster]

I am not opposed to healthcare reform, and strong (and smart) legislation regulating how insurance companies must operate if they wish to do business in this country.

What I oppose with every fiber of my being is the government taking over healthcare and trying to run it in competition with private insurance/healthcare providers/and pharma corps.

I don't minimize what you are currently going through. You offer substancial proof why reform is needed, and I sympathize with you completely.

I've never heard that this is a government thing ..

Then you're obviously not paying attention.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by poochee

The thousands?

Absolutely.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by poochee

Again, many who are well covered by insurance, could care less about those that aren't. They are more interested in themselves and the fear of perhaps paying a few more taxes.

You are absolutely full of it.

You know that is not the motivation.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Absolutely.

You are either paranoid, or just a rabble-rouser.

That's what Reps do, rabble-rouse their base, but it doesn't work when you try it on a Democrat.

[Noyb]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

... you're obviously not paying attention.

I've been listening to Obama .. Not all the other ****
The public option is an attempt to establish a Private (non Government) form of insurance that will create some competition for the insurance companies that are only interested in making Obscene Profits at the expense of the insured.

I can't help thinking that doing something is better than doing nothing.

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Noyb

I've been listening to Obama .. Not all the other ****
The public option is an attempt to establish a Private (non Government) form of insurance that will create some competition for the insurance companies that are only interested in making Obscene Profits at the expense of the insured.

I can't help thinking that doing something is better than doing nothing.

[JohnWill]

Originally Posted by Noyb

I've been listening to Obama .. Not all the other ****
The public option is an attempt to establish a Private (non Government) form of insurance that will create some competition for the insurance companies that are only interested in making Obscene Profits at the expense of the insured.

I can't help thinking that doing something is better than doing nothing.

If you do the wrong thing, it's not necessarily better than doing nothing. Of course, if you've been drinking the Kool-Aid, you won't notice.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Noyb

I've been listening to Obama .. Not all the other ****
The public option is an attempt to establish a Private (non Government) form of insurance that will create some competition for the insurance companies that are only interested in making Obscene Profits at the expense of the insured.

I can't help thinking that doing something is better than doing nothing.

Your data on the "public option" in in err.
It is essentially insurance provided by the government.

We agree on the need for legislation that forces insurance companies to play by more stringent rules for coverage and the unreasonable denial of coverage along with fair premiums. But govermnetal takeover (which is exactly what the proposed House bill does) is patently absurd.

[Noyb]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

...
It is essentially insurance provided by the government.
We agree on the need for legislation that forces insurance companies ....
But governmental takeover ... is patently absurd.

Provided and Run by the Government ?? .. That's Not what Obama said
Is it an Option abiding by the same Legislation/Rules ??
Is Legislation a Takeover ?? ... Or a fix for a problem ??

Something doesn't compute here

Without Competition ... The Insurance companies will just raise the rates to compensate for the extra cost imposed by the new rules ...
So they can still get their obscene profits.

Those who always do .. What they've always done ..
Will always have .. What they've already got.

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Noyb

Provided and Run by the Government ?? .. That's Not what Obama said
Is it an Option abiding by the same Legislation/Rules ??
Is Legislation a Takeover ?? ... Or a fix for a problem ??

Something doesn't compute here

Without Competition ... The Insurance companies will just raise the rates to compensate for the extra cost imposed by the new rules ...
So they can still get their obscene profits.

Those who always do .. What they've always done ..
Will always have .. What they've already got.

Read the bill. Geez! Watch the news once in a while.
Obamacare is a governmental takeover of private health insurance. Plain and simple.
Nobody who is informed on either side of the discussion denies that fact.

I am not for maintaining the status quo. BTW, you should get your wife on Medicare ASAP.
But the first order of business is to stop this takeover. Then perhaps we can get onto the business of fair regulation of healthcare for American citizens.

[Noyb]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

BTW, you should get your wife on Medicare ASAP.
..

She IS ... Do you know how much it doesn't cover .. And how much extra Insurance it takes ??
I wonder if the inventor of the Donut Hole has a patent on it.

He must have been a Banker because he used "funny" numbers .. So you go into it early .. and get out late ..
So it's much bigger than it looks

[Drabdr]

Show me anything..... anything.... that the US government got involved with that they did better than private industry.



Nope, didn't think so.

The quality of healthcare in America will go down, and prices will go up. That includes prescriptions too.


We are entitled to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That's it.

If you want health insurance, fine. Go get a job and pay for it. Or, go to the County Hospital.

But quit asking me to pay for every government grub that's too lazy to work.

[Snagglegaster]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Read the bill. Geez! Watch the news once in a while.
Obamacare is a governmental takeover of private health insurance. Plain and simple.
Nobody who is informed on either side of the discussion denies that fact.

I am not for maintaining the status quo. BTW, you should get your wife on Medicare ASAP.
But the first order of business is to stop this takeover. Then perhaps we can get onto the business of fair regulation of healthcare for American citizens.

Actually LAN informed sources repudiate your "fact" that proposed health reform is "a governmental takeover of private insurance." AARP disagrees here and here . Newsweek disagrees. Salon disagrees here. The American Medical Association certainly isn't singing the blues about a government takeover in this press release. The Kaiser Family Foundation disputes your claims, and Factcheck.org also says you are wrong. The Catholic Church supports the current health reform proposal, as well.

So, who are those "both" sides of the discussion who support you? Shawn Banality, Bill O'Really, Rush Lamebaugh? And what's with your endorsement of Medicare?

Medicare, a single payer healthcare provider should be anathema to you, I'd think. But you've said in other posts that you don't oppose it. That's strange, because I see only 3 possible scenarios here:

1. Medicare provides a superior level of cost/effectiveness than private providers.
2. Medicare provides an equal level of cost/effectiveness compared to private providers.
3. Medicare is worse.

For a Conservative, I would think both cases 2 and 3 should make you opposed to Medicare. That leaves us with case 1. So, if Medicare is good for Seniors, why isn't it good for everyone?

[poochee]

Originally Posted by Noyb

She IS ... Do you know how much it doesn't cover .. And how much extra Insurance it takes ??
I wonder if the inventor of the Donut Hole has a patent on it.

He must have been a Banker because he used "funny" numbers .. So you go into it early .. and get out late ..
So it's much bigger than it looks

Unfortunately, some have to fall into the Donut Hole themselves before they get concerned with it. It can happen to anyone.

[Snagglegaster]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

Show me anything..... anything.... that the US government got involved with that they did better than private industry.



Nope, didn't think so.

OK, how about warfare? Has any private army in U.S. history exceed the performance of the U.S. Army?

How about protecting our food supply. Did Peanut Corporation of America do a better job than the FDA? How do you feel overall about the FDA when it comes to medicines? How about health programs to eradicate smallpox and polio?

Then there's the Panama Canal, the Interstate Highway System, the Intracoastal Canal. Putting men on the moon, building a space station... How about you take a laxative and post again when you aren't so full of fecal matter.