[Wino]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Muslims cant give a fair trial?.........Reminds me of the appointment thread

..............the latter of which is very reminiscent of Cheech & Chongs, "Dave's Not Here" routine.

[Littlefield]

Kinda Like Clint Eastwood said in Dirty Harry: "I'm really sorry about his damn civil rights".

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Muslims cant give a fair trial?.........Reminds me of the appointment thread

Good question. ....or point?? .........or both??



The Indonesians didn't seem to have too much trouble with the Bali bombers. OK they don't apply Sha'aria and I guess Muslims on a NYC jury wouldn't want to try that either. But they're pretty much Muslim in Jakarta.

Tried and fried, no problem.

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by iltos

and the idea of a speedy trial is long gone.

i was surprised when it was announced he'd be tried in a criminal court in NYC....but he's not an "enemy combatant", is he? doesn't he sort of defy definition, as Paq points out?

I think you missed my point Roberto, if the court finds that the US violated his right to a speedy trial he walks, a free man unless the US charges him with something else.

He was found to be an enemy combatant.

[iltos]

Originally Posted by Bastiat

He was found to be an enemy combatant.

yeah....i read that today, trying to catch up
sounds like he turned that military courtroom into a circus.....how'd a judge let that happen?

makes more sense now why so many are afeared of letting him to a criminal courtroom.

and i DID miss your point

[aka Brett]

..i havent been following currents events with this either...what the latest unbiased link Iltos

[iltos]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

..i havent been following currents events with this either...what the latest unbiased link Iltos

i read the wiki article on him this afternoon, waiting for Cookiegal to get back to my thread in the Vista forum.

pretty informative section on the military trial, i thought....except for the fact that the military court sounds like it had become a zoo, i don't really understand why the venue's been changed.

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by iltos

i read the wiki article on him this afternoon, waiting for Cookiegal to get back to my thread in the Vista forum.

pretty informative section on the military trial, i thought....except for the fact that the military court sounds like it had become a zoo, i don't really understand why the venue's been changed.

Will read the link thanks
I been watching that thread with your root kit..you got nailed pretty good..I would have just f8 it and done a factory recovery...My machine is the same model as yours..when I was using vista I could do a factory recovery and have internet going and google set to home page in just under 19 minutes.

A machine needs a fresh start once in a while anyway...as long as you dont have apps that are hard to set back up its the way to go IMO...I used to reformat every 2 or 3 months just for the sake of it.....copy my user files to external medial then reformat,then copy them back.

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by iltos

i read the wiki article on him this afternoon, waiting for Cookiegal to get back to my thread in the Vista forum.

pretty informative section on the military trial, i thought....except for the fact that the military court sounds like it had become a zoo, i don't really understand why the venue's been changed.

Excellent article,,it appears as if much has already been going on with limited public knowledge....

I loved the part that he and 4 others were ordered to have laptops...WOW.
Naturally we cant go through the laptops as that is where their " legal" papers" are as we cant "damage their defense with unfair practice"...Brilliant

So we have terrorist with laptops we cant touch....lets hope they have broadband...and a good graphic card for the games as well..Tell Bin I said hi and will be home shortly...they are even more foolish that you said bin....First round of vodka will be on me Bin.....Hows my camel doing?

The guys are already on their way out the door,,we just are going to get a little show before hand to appease the public.

See the reason for loud voicing against left wing ideals?
Thats not directed at you...you have shook off that title recently and are just in the middle which isnt a bad place to be at the moment.

Now ofcoarse Fidelista will be in total support of this current outrage regarding the terrorists,,,something about liberties freedoms and all that.

Also as we can see there were many countries that harbored KSM while being a known wanted terrorists,,,,Just another example of how strong their religion is in surrounding areas as well....thereby strengthening "why take the chance."

[ekim68]

Are you living in fear Brett? Do these paltry prisoners scare you? What can they do to you or your family? Why do you fear them so? They don't even know you exist...

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Are you living in fear Brett? Do these paltry prisoners scare you? What can they do to you or your family? Why do you fear them so? They don't even know you exist...

I am living in reality not fear.....They are barbarians and my love for them is shallow..I have strong opposition to anything which slightly resembles pro terrorism...
What can they do to me or my family?...your alseep right mike?
Iran is going nuke...they dont like us...several middle eastern countries dont like us....NK isnt real happy with us as well....Money is money..Oil is oil...friends are friends.........this makes a very bad game of tic tac toe
Although terrorism may not mean anything to you as long as you are not killed or anyone you know isnt killed...........somebody died..families suffered.

Do you really want your govt to do nothing about this problem?...You appear to be having the O well stance as you figure the whats the odds of you getting terrorized

[iltos]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Excellent article,,it appears as if much has already been going on with limited public knowledge....

I loved the part that he and 4 others were ordered to have laptops...WOW.
Naturally we cant go through the laptops as that is where their " legal" papers" are as we cant "damage their defense with unfair practice"...Brilliant

So we have terrorist with laptops we cant touch....lets hope they have broadband...and a good graphic card for the games as well..Tell Bin I said hi and will be home shortly...they are even more foolish that you said bin....First round of vodka will be on me Bin.....Hows my camel doing?

The guys are already on their way out the door,,we just are going to get a little show before hand to appease the public.

See the reason for loud voicing against left wing ideals?
Thats not directed at you...you have shook off that title recently and are just in the middle which isnt a bad place to be at the moment.

Now ofcoarse Fidelista will be in total support of this current outrage regarding the terrorists,,,something about liberties freedoms and all that.

Also as we can see there were many countries that harbored KSM while being a known wanted terrorists,,,,Just another example of how strong their religion is in surrounding areas as well....thereby strengthening "why take the chance."

what struck me was how was how long we've dillied dallied, trying to figure out what to do......we really mucked things up in terms of justice -which is not a wholly owned subsidiary of left wing ideals, btw.

at least it didn't use to be

a classic example of saying whatever will please you to get me off the board
the guys admitted to every crime for the last 100 years!!
well.....almost

now we're stuck with "an enemy combatant" who admitted guilt under circumstance that most people consider to be torture, andn so not admissable as evidence....and we allowed him to turn a military court to his own purposes
while we refuse to acknowledge (or fear) the authority of the icc

leaving us with three alternatives....take him out and shoot him....let him rot in jail without a trial, or try him in civilian court

calling him a pow is absurd (i'll dig up some research again tomorrow that i did on that today -twice (and lost both times when combofix was eaten by my rootkit)- on some pretty intelligent thinking (imo) on that.....the idea that we can let him rot in jail for duration of this "war" is one of the most "head in the sand" ideas i can imagine......
first.....it's a war that has no realitisic objective.....like the war on drugs and the war on poverty and the war on racism.......wonderful ideas without a shred of hope of "winning", in the sense that the bad guys will surrender.
a war that will last forever.....meanwhile (and second), WE'LL forget all about him (and his laptop)
you think the zealots will?
don't be naive.....their hearts beat to this drum...

2 alternatives, then

take him out and shoot him?
some would probably jump at the chance.....the zealots would love that, too.....it would not only make the dude a martyr, but turn the idea of america into the definition of hypocrisy........it's a dumb idea, mentioned here only because it is, in fact, one alternative....silly as it may be

1 alternative, then

and politics aside, it does what >f suggests....provides closure, so that we can begin to let it go, and move on.

and if he walks, it's because we made some grievous errors, imo, and because he's as smart as that top picture in the wiki article makes him look.

imo, it's primarily because you CAN'T assure the outcome of trial that we're afraid to let the scales of justice weigh this guy.

kinda like we couldn't be SURE that he'd tell us what he knew being the reason that we decided to board him

and turned this into a big pickle

we reap what we sow.

dang, freedom sucks sometimes......let's just forget it

[ekim68]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Iran is going nuke...they dont like us...several middle eastern countries don't like us.

Where do you get this? How is Iran going nuke? Link please...

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by iltos

what struck me was how was how long we've dillied dallied, trying to figure out what to do......we really mucked things up in terms of justice -which is not a wholly owned subsidiary of left wing ideals, btw.

at least it didn't use to be

a classic example of saying whatever will please you to get me off the board
the guys admitted to every crime for the last 100 years!!
well.....almost

now we're stuck with "an enemy combatant" who admitted guilt under circumstance that most people consider to be torture, is not admissable as evidence....and allowed him to turn a military court to his own purposes
and refuse to acknowledge (or fear) the authority of the icc

leaving us with three alternatives....take him out and shoot him....let him rot in jail without a trial, or try him in civilian court

calling him a pow is absurd (i'll dig up some research again tomorrow that i did on that today -twice (and lost both times when combofix was eaten by my rootkit)- on some pretty intelligent thinking (imo) on that.....that idea that we can let him rot in jail as one for duration of this war is one of the most "head in the sand" ideas i can imagine......
first.....it's a war that has no realitisic objective.....like the war on drugs and the war on poverty and the war on racism.......wonderful ideas without a shred of hope of "winning", in the sense that the bad guys will surrender.
a war that will last forever.....meanwhile (and second), WE'LL forget all about him (and his laptop)
you think the zealots will?
don't be naive.....their hearts beat to this drum...

2 alternatives, then

take him out and shoot him?
some would probably jump at the chance.....the zealots would love that, too.....it would not only make the dude a martyr, but turn the idea of america into the definition of hypocrisy........it's a dumb idea, mentioned here only because it is, in fact, one alternative....silly as it may be

1 alternative, then

and politics aside, it does what >f suggests....provides closure, so that we can begin to let it go, and move on.

and if he walks, it's because we made some grievous errors, imo, and because he's a smart as that top picture in the wiki article makes him look.

imo, it's primarily because you CAN'T assure the outcome of trial that we're afraid to let the scales of justice weigh this guy.

kinda like we could be SURE that he'd tell us what he knew that we decided to board him

and turned this into a big pickle

we reap what we sow.

dang, freedom sucks sometimes......let's just forget it

We cant take him out and shoot him...but can place him on suicide watch

he should remain a pow,,its a war..when the war is over then we move from there.

We already know that running him through our courts is a ticket out..worked for OJ.
Why isnt he treated as a pow until the war is over?....why do the rules have to suddenly change?
Look back at history when we were fighting japan we had concentration camps for the japanese until it ended.

Now we have the big wheel terrorist in our hands and public outcries that he is locked up...he needs a trial...geeze.....here is how a trial works...if you have money or are important you win.........if you have no bucks or arent important you lose unless your attorney happens to like fighting the courts for little money...seriously....just look at the numbers of who have been released.....many more cant prove their innocents as some states dont allow dna to be used to free old prisoners....the ones that took plea bargains cant fight it at all......others that went to trial and lost still cant get justice...unless you get the media behind you...then evidence dissapears ...etc....the moral is the system does not work equally for all.
This isnt an ordinary guy,,,there will be millions of people crying his mistreatments...all the technicalities will be allowed in his favor........we all know it...so to be for this plan is saying just let him go.

The problem with this is the long term damage for the way terrorists are dealt with in the future as explained in a prior post....the lefts think now the rights think ahead.

Now think further ahead.....more left damage as whining occurs by the left politicians to get bills passed protecting terrorists from harrassment...it will be more difficult to arrest them as it will be a common person....you know how it works.

Summary
Its a military issue and they should have been able to do as usual...the cic now however appears to have a soft spot for terrorists IMO....he know they will walk.

A worse tragedy has happened though....he has planted that same soft spot for terrorists into the hearts of half our nation

[ekim68]

The worst tragedy happened on Bush's watch...Are you gonna defend that? (It actually happened rather than a theory..,eh? )