[buffoon]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

We had no idea of their attentions or where else they would attack after all we didnt know the first one was coming..they were cray...when you get low on fuel ,,then just hit the ship with it.....makes a an impression

On Hawaii (that was hit) not a single Nisei was interned thruout the whole of WWII. It was California and other parts of the West Coast (that never got hit and never had a chance in Hades of ever being hit) where paranoia took the place of common sense.

You reckon you'll get the point if you read it again a coupla times???

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by buffoon

If they walk it'll be due to the f... up of the right that went before. I really don't want to get into this party bashing with you but your hatred of the left in general and BO in particular makes you come back again and again to this. It's not about GWB or BO, it's about getting this mess resolved by finding some form of closure.
I guess I missed that. Seem to remember they weren't given any status at all initially. Going by that argument brett, then once the war is over (whenever that may be and however it is defined) you gotta send them home. That's what's done with POWs when the war is over.

And the US had the chance of having them tried over here the same way that Milosevic and Karadzic were. But the US does not acknowledge the ICC.

Thats right turn em loose when the war is over...good and sore..they can use my boots

But seriously i wouldnt mind them being tried elsewhere besides here...someplace that will listen to the facts and put all the bs aside...it wont happen here...the trial will be more about his suffering than the facts of the events of terrorism...its a ticket home.

I would rather just turn him loose without a trial to prevent from looking like fools in front of the world

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Thats right turn em loose when the war is over...good and sore..they can use my boots

But seriously i wouldnt mind them being tried elsewhere besides here...someplace that will listen to the facts and put all the bs aside...it wont happen here...the trial will be more about his suffering than the facts of the events of terrorism...its a ticket home.

It'll actually be more about his confessions having been extracted under duress and (as GB pointed out) habeas corpus denied. But I actually am not so afeared about the murder charges not sticking. We managed to convict all the buggers over here and none of them cooperated with info, let alone a confession.

We had a guy over here called Moutassadeq (well, in truth the Germans had him). They sentenced him and he appealed to the hight court. The high court saw his guilt as not sufficiently proven and ordered him set free.
Reason I'm telling this is that in order to establish his guilt beyond doubt the German authorities wanted witness testimony from Binalshib, the guy that you have over there. The US refused to let anyone question him, refused access. So the case fell thru. Well the Germans found other means and sentenced him to life. This time the case stuck, a further appeal was rejected.

Point being that it sometimes takes perseverance. And if any testimony is needed from anyone in a German jail the authorities there will probably be cooperative. Which they wouldn't have been very much if any one from the GWB admin had asked, not after being treated the way they were.

And Germany has a very conservative government so there ain't no leftist lovee-lovee potential.

I would rather just turn him loose without a trial to prevent from looking like fools in front of the world

As I said, give him an airline ticket as a parting gift. Just don't tell him the airline is "El Al".

[aka Brett]

Germany would be fine it appears..to further add it would also make a better world statement to let him be tried in another country...as there wouldnt be opinion of bias in the event there were a conviction

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by buffoon

On Hawaii (that was hit) not a single Nisei was interned thruout the whole of WWII. It was California and other parts of the West Coast (that never got hit and never had a chance in Hades of ever being hit) where paranoia took the place of common sense.

You reckon you'll get the point if you read it again a coupla times???

Ok so you made me google .......Nisei and interned are not commonly used words here in the belt........I swear you Spaniards need to condense that American dictionary you have over there

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Ok so you made me google .......Nisei and interned are not commonly used words here in the belt........I swear you Spaniards need to condense that American dictionary you have over there

As to Nisei, condensing the American dic won't help much. But since you've googled it you know its derived from "ni", Japanese for two or second (born).
So as opposed to their parents (Issei) who had immigrated into the US the Nisei were born there.

Can't help it, I spent a lot of time going to Japan and back and forth. Never lived there for any length though and learning the language is a bit like getting water boarded

[aka Brett]

Well thats because you are trying to learn the entire language

[iltos]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

A non fruitcake muslim has no problem with terrorists being in the camps, as they are a thorn to how the world perceives them

interesting point....and one i'll listen to, if you can provide some evidence of your assumption....
careful, tho...one might leap to the conclusion that you're agreeing with me about the "winds of change" blowing out of islam .

the one is who screaming TRIAL is the united states....although many countries may not support the war...they are developed enough to hate terrorism.

what are you saying here?....that the left loves terrorism?

The eye sore of us to the world really isnt a problem

point of information: you misunderstood my point....it was about mideastern business types seeing a bunch of screaming, rock throwing muslims in other parts of the world as an eyesore....i was trying to get you to see that one of the reasons for the "wind of change" is that the middle east, and the vast majority of people who live there, LIKE the opprotunities provided by "our" economic system (aka in this, the 21st century, as the "global economy")....and that this, too, is a significant source of the wind blowing through the mideast.

history may remember the invasion of iraq differently that i'll remember it...it may be remembered as another catalyst for that economic breeze.....time will tell.

The leaderships of other countries wants the terrorists taken down,,,due to the nature of their hate and have shown how great of a danger they can be.
They were growing and no one was stopping them......the govt being the problem itself in some areas...This is very very bad,
When the terrorist rules reaches a certain level there is basically no escape...you can either carry the whip or be on the receiving end of it.

i never realized what a defeatist you were brett

IMO we have much to fix within our system before we worry about the comfort of these terrorists.
There are many injustices within our system that need to be addressed,rather than worry about terrorists comforts.
Lets start by making all states comply with a convicted prisoner acress to the abilty to use dna to set him free.
Lets also make this option available for these that plea bargained...lets face it if you have 2 choices...death penality if yiou lose of life in prison if you plead guilty which one do you take........Fact almost all cases are plea bargained.......Take the deal for if you lose we will really sock it to you...wow some justice.....plea bargains should be eliminated all together,
If the state says a man did a crime..let 12 decide if he did...let the defense present its case...often not the case......the prosecutors have thier way with lieing and what have you....lets face it its pro state arguments favor for the state....they exception is if there is a lot of publicity on the case or you have lots of money to play the states game....the state dont want the media to follow the case as the lefts will trash the case almost every time.

Lets face it if all the prisoners had major publicity during their case..90 percent would be home....we all get shoved around a little,,get lied to,mistreated,our rights violated during process...sure we dont get boarded...but the same mental technique is there....to scare the living crap out of you,lie,do whatever,if that isnt enough they fill in the blanks to make the case anyway.

These terrorists need no special treatment...they are POWS and need to be treated as such.

The influence of the lefts will get this man walked.....Thats a failed system..........why are we insistant are using a very flawed system when we know do to left influence it is very much to the terrorist advantage.
You want a trial take him to Mississippi,Alabama or similar...in an hour it will be over and you have your conviction

here again, you put up an arguement which seems to say....the system isn't perfect, so let's not run khalid through it because we won't get the results we want.

i believe that to be the one fundamental difference in our points of view on this....and it's frankly, difficult for me NOT to see yours as a result of fear.

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by iltos

interesting point....and one i'll listen to, if you can provide some evidence of your assumption....
careful, tho...one might leap to the conclusion that you're agreeing with me about the "winds of change" blowing out of islam .


what are you saying here?....that the left loves terrorism?


point of information: you misunderstood my point....it was about mideastern business types seeing a bunch of screaming, rock throwing muslims in other parts of the world as an eyesore....i was trying to get you to see that one of the reasons for the "wind of change" is that the middle east, and the vast majority of people who live there, LIKE the opprotunities provided by "our" economic system (aka in this, the 21st century, as the "global economy")....and that this, too, is a significant source of the wind blowing through the mideast.

history may remember the invasion of iraq differently that i'll remember it...it may be remembered as another catalyst for that economic breeze.....time will tell.


i never realized what a defeatist you were brett


here again, you put up an arguement which seems to say....the system isn't perfect, so let's not run khalid through it because we won't get the results we want.

i believe that to be the one fundamental difference in our points of view on this....and it's frankly, difficult for me NOT to see yours as a result of fear.

Muslims have stated publicly that they do not want to be associated with the terrorist variety.

It is the united states itself that is pushing trial not the rest of the world..the problem began when Obama took office....The lefts soaked up his humanitarian ideology very readily ..the bait was placed and taken.I am not saying that the lefts love terrorists..I am saying that the lefts are only looking at a single issue rather than the entire mess.

An important issue here keeps getting pushed aside..they are pows and need to be pows the system doesnt need to be bent..........bending the system in favor of the terrorist is a bad idea...Why would we want to do that?

Running them through our courts as a civilian is not a good idea...new legislation will be written in favor of the terrorists preventing {harassment}
we find them innocent due to mistreatments......really nothing good can become of this,other than some people think they are doing the right thing.
The right thing for terrorist is what it is...lets do the right thing for the long run...lets finish whipping some terrorist arse...to stop now is very foolish...as we will have only stirred a hornets nest and nothing more......we havent came close to stamping terrorism...troops are getting killed regularly.

They are barbarian killers that love to cut the heads off of jews and chant as if they served their god...these freaks need to be taken care of....I have no pity for the leader of the 911 planning.......They were fine at gitmo...but terrorist loving Obama decided they shouldnt be there...then he decides they need us style trials.........WHY?....this is a sure sign of favoritism for the terrorists..........he fights with the decision of a general...Why?

Why would any president want to close a camp and run them through US style courts knowing the outcome is in the favor of the terrorists...WHY?
WHY would anyone agree with this as it only damages the abilty in the future to handle any POW.
Its a war for petes sake......not a regular war..its a war against fruitcake head chopping thugs who are brainwashed by their book...these are not people that are in battle because they love their country...these people are freaks.....murdering freaks that feel jews need to be extinguished.

Why is it that its always the jews that are to be slaughtered......for petes sake they are disappearing fast...they are peaceful loving people...what have they done?.......how many jews have died todays due to the freaks?
Sorry I side with the jews,,,,,,,and when it comes down to who needs slaughtered its the freaks...not the jews,its a war against jews and islam...the jews dont want it ..its is brought to them continually.
Take hitler it was the same thing...extinguish the jews...kill the jews.

Do the jews get a trial?...no..if you are a jew......you get sand kicked in your face so you cant breath over and over...you get wrapped in canvas or similar and roast and roast you are tortured and I mean tortured....when the knife comes out to cut your head off,you welcome it...........Thats some justice for the jew hey?

They are freaks...killing machine barbarians.......This not need fade away as to why it all started

[iltos]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Muslims have stated publicly that they do not want to be associated with the terrorist variety.

you ARE agreeing with me

It is the united states itself that is pushing trial not the rest of the world..the problem began when Obama took office....The lefts soaked up his humanitarian ideology very readily ..the bait was placed and taken.I am not saying that the lefts love terrorists..I am saying that the lefts are only looking at a single issue rather than the entire mess.

An important issue here keeps getting pushed aside..they are pows and need to be pows the system doesnt need to be bent.

here we will disagree....i don't see obama looking at a single issue here....fact is, he's pushing a politically unpopular issue, imo....so it can hardly be claimed that there is some political motive to this.
and while i do understand your arguement wrt the whole pow thing....i certainly haven't pushed it aside....it's what all my posts from earlier today were meant to address.

they just don't hold any water for you, because

The right thing for terrorist is what it is...lets do the right thing for the long run...lets finish whipping some terrorist arse...to stop now is very foolish...as we will have only stirred a hornets nest and nothing more......we havent came close to stamping terrorism...troops are killing regularly.

They are barbarian killers that love to cut the heads off of jews and chant as if they served thier god...these freaks need to be taken care of....I have no pity for the leader of the 911 planning

which i don't see anyone here disagreeing with, brett....
but that's the only argument you've really put forward...all the rest is just a reflection of it.......

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Now that is the sign of good citizens !.------when they don't mind being robbed of their property and put in camps . All Americans should have that attitude .be willing to go to camp with a smile ==Patriotic !
Amazing . >f

I would remind you that this occurred and was ordered by one of the most, if not the most, liberal President this country has had (up till now).

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Are you living in fear Brett? Do these paltry prisoners scare you? What can they do to you or your family?

Yeah Brett what can they do? Let's ask the three thousand in the World Trade Towers.

Why do you fear them so? They don't even know you exist...

Does this mean they were personal friends with the aforementioned three thousand?

[ekim68]

Hey gb, how's it going? BTW he doesn't have those jets in court, just handcuffs..Sense any danger there?

[Bastiat]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Hey gb, how's it going? BTW he doesn't have those jets in court, just handcuffs..Sense any danger there?

He didn't have any jets in his hands when he had the others fly into the buildings.....sense any danger there?

[ekim68]

Good thought, as usual....Have you been involved with a court case with either witnesses or defendants that have a notoriety about them? And, do you have to take the side door to avoid the masses?