[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by valis

This is just dead wrong. Pot is not addictive (other than psychologically), and I know literally dozens of people who smoke it on a regular basis. Dozens. Not one of them has gone down that primrose path you mentioned.

Disagree: in Britain the use of Skunk has rocketed: and it is indeed addictive.

The people who are going to hit crack and PCP and meth are people who are hard-core addicts and frequently members of the lower classes of society; you'll find much higher numbers of users of heroin in people that are either homeless or just coasting through life from place to place.

Disagree again: seeking a sensation from any psychotropic substance leads to seeking bigger and better sensations.

I don't think one can honestly state that pot is disassociative in nature. And psychopathy is a personality disorder, again something that isn't going to brought on by ingesting marijuana. It's already there.

Growing numbers of young people are suffering from psychoses brought on by skunk et al.

Such as one of my nieces e.g.: now suffering from Schitzophrenia and etc.

Alcohol?

I'm damned sure, potheads don't and can't sit around a dinner table eulogising over their latest roll-up of "Mexican Gold" or whatever, in the same way as can I, pondering the magnificence of a 1st growth chateau bottled Bordeaux.

Or a glass of rare very old Single Malt!

Or suggest that Morrocan Z is a fine accompaniment to say Chateaubriand.

Legalising pot will simply cause demand for other currently proscribed drugs, "E"s for example to also be legalised.

My last word on the subject: if people need "Recreational Drugs" to "Enjoy" themselves then something is seriously wrong with their psyche.

[wacor]

pot is not a gateway drug

when you have that as part of your premise then the same applies to booze and would be wrong.

There are some things you can not legislate. Such as honesty, decency, morality and sobriety.

You can try but it is futile. Demon rum or demon weed is gonna be there and people will get it. Please show in countries where pot is legal or decriminalized the data to support the demons running wild.

[valis]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

Disagree: in Britain the use of Skunk has rocketed: and it is indeed addictive.

Feel free to disagree. Doesn't change the fact that you are dead wrong on this one. Pot is simply not very physically addictive. You smoke it for 10 years and quit cold turkey, you will suffer few, if any, withdrawal symptoms.

Do the same with alcohol and quit cold turkey (and in both cases I'm talking about heavily abusing the substance; not being a casual, once-a-week user) and you will very likely die.

Disagree again: seeking a sensation from any psychotropic substance leads to seeking bigger and better sensations.

Again you are incorrect. It is not the drug that leads you down that primrose path, Paq; it's the individual.

If it were the drug, everyone who ever drank a beer would be in the gutter drinking sterno. As it is, the only ones that are in the gutters are the addicts.

I mean, caffeine is considered a psychotropic drug by definition. Using your logic, anyone who drank espresso (yum, btw. ) would be in the street with a needle in their arm in short term.

Growing numbers of young people are suffering from psychoses brought on by skunk et al.

Such as one of my nieces e.g.: now suffering from Schitzophrenia and etc.

I'm sorry to hear about your niece. That's not a good situation in any matter. But I will flat out guarantee that marijuana did not 'cause' it to happen; she had an underlying personality disorder. Marijuana does NOT cause personality disorders to magically appear. They have to be their first.

Alcohol most certainly causes personality disorders to appear, and quite frequently stick around for the duration of the life of the alcoholic. You actually physically change the chemistry of the brain after abusing alcohol for a period of time. And no, it doesn't revert. That's why I don't call myself a recovered alcoholic. There is no such thing. I'm just a lush that doesn't drink, and hasn't for 11 years.

Alcohol?

I'm damned sure, potheads don't and can't sit around a dinner table eulogising over their latest roll-up of "Mexican Gold" or whatever, in the same way as can I, pondering the magnificence of a 1st growth chateau bottled Bordeaux.

Or a glass of rare very old Single Malt!

Or suggest that Morrocan Z is a fine accompaniment to say Chateaubriand.

Legalising pot will simply cause demand for other currently proscribed drugs, "E"s for example to also be legalised.

My last word on the subject: if people need "Recreational Drugs" to "Enjoy" themselves then something is seriously wrong with their psyche.

Paq, what do you think alcohol is if not a recreational drug? Both are means of escapism; that's it in a nutshell.

[SlackAli]

Originally Posted by Paquadez

Addictive Personality Disorder: and impressionable and easily led psyches.

Paq, you assert that as though it is a given fact. Really? The DSM IV doesn't list it as a recognisable condition, personality disorder or otherwise. Could it not be just another syndrome conjured from thin air to convince the worried well that they have a psychiatric condition which explains their behaviour, and thus generates another income stream for the burgeoning numbers of hack therapists who prey on the anxieties of the modern world. You don't need an excuse to take drugs, other than they're fun and make the modern world appear slightly less rubbish than it is.

Taking pot, often leads all the way along the Primrose Path to such as crack cocaine, PCP et al.

Even politicians don't trot out this line anymore. You don't understand the sociology of drugs: smoking weed is essentially a passive communal pasttime, whereas drugs like Coke, Speed and Ecstasy are used to enhance physical and mental states in more active settings, like clubbing and dance culture. Different drugs for different people in different settings. Not saying, of course, that you don't round off a night's clubbing in the early hours with a few spliffs to chill, but to say that there's a causal chain from smoking dope to chemical use is plain wrong - as you say yourself, correctly, modern skunk is potent gear, so why would you need to "move up a level" in search of a bigger hit?

Heroin, crack and crystal meth? Drugs for losers. The valium of the underclass.

Druggies do indeed beat up on their wives and children: for a variety of reasons, which are all dissasociative and psychopathic in origin.

No idea what that means.

[wacor]

I will say it again I have NEVER seen somebody stoned on pot only, that was violent. Not even once.

[Wino]

Don't believe pot is addictive, at least for me. I can take it or leave it, and have many times over the years (40 or so) with no adverse effects. Stayed away from it any time I lived overseas or strayed south of the border - 'Midnight Express' had a profound effect on my attitude when out of the USA.

Now, whether it causes brain damage or psychosis is up for debate in my case, but I'm still making money from my past vocations / occupations. Do have a bit of ennui when it comes to housework, but have learned to live with dust on my relics as it gives them character.

Tobacco and alcohol have done much more damage to me physically and personally than pot, and both were much more difficult to stay away from, and both were additive.

Pot should be decriminalized, not made legal, with severe penalties for DUI.

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by SlackAli

No idea what that means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

[Paquadez]

Originally Posted by Wino

Pot should be decriminalized, not made legal, with severe penalties for DUI.

They tried that in Spain, Wino.

After the death of Franco and as part of the great liberalisation of Spanish society.

Trouble is, they failed to realise decriminalising possession didn't stop the dealers..........

Can't be separated out.

OK: so you grow your own: and then some guys get better (Green Fingers?) grow a better product and guess what happens?

[wacor]

People could still make moonshine and do and sell it illegally but the demand is not there for it to be worth much effort to fight it. Same would happen with pot unless the govt got too greedy. When you pay over $200 an ounce for something that should cost $20 then it creates a huge market for drug runners. You take away that much profit out of it and most of the dealers will find something else to do.

[LANMaster]

Cheech & Chong were on Leno a few nights back.

Seldom have I seen a better argument AGAINST the legalization of marijuana.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by LANMaster

Cheech & Chong were on Leno a few nights back.

Seldom have I seen a better argument AGAINST the legalization of marijuana.

I'll challenge that........read this thread and decide for yourself as to whether smoking pot improves logic ................

[wacor]

I knew you would come back

[Stoner]

I'm only here for driveby cheap shots .....

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Stoner

I'm only here for driveby cheap shots .....

At least you admit you got nothing but cheap shots to back up the neanderthal thinking.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by wacor

At least you admit you got nothing but cheap shots to back up the neanderthal thinking.

My arguments are back in the closed thread.....none of which you were able to refute.
So please stop your drooling, you are embarrassing yourself ( )