[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

You are the one with a Obama fixation .
You posted probably a dozen times about him in this thread .
It makes no difference the subject , it always comes down to our President with you , A fixation
Now tell me about junkyard dogs >f

Bush bush bush bush..............perhaps this is why

[Fidelista]

Not the biggest killer , but one of worst in our time . Pol Pot .
He killed over 20% of population , of his own people --Cambodia .
He starved them , he tortured them , shot them , killed all the teachers and intellectuals .
Over two million innocents .
Maybe not the biggest number of victims , but the most horrible thing I have seen in my lifetime .
All based on a insane dream , nothing anyone could ever understand >f

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

The worst could be the one who effects us personally , or ...in historical view , depends .
I would say the worst is one who murders his own people , his own citizens , innocents for irrational/insane reasons .
For me personally , my family , it was the dictator Batista . My father was killed fighting him, picked up rifle and fought .
I did not mention him because in the big picture , he was evil , a criminal , but somewhat rational in his criminality . Its a personal thing .
A p*ss ant compared to Mao or Pol Pot .
I suppose the number of victims plays a part too.
We don't have to go back to ancient history to find insane murderers that kill their own by millions --unfortunately . >f

The mindset for hate a greed etc started back way back when..population was more sparse thereby reducing damage as far as numbers...the same intent was there as modern barbarians however.

Why dont people turn against their barbarian leaders?....a mind is very gullable and easily brainwashed.
hate was put into mind set and hasnt faded yet to this date.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Bush bush bush bush..............perhaps this is why

I must have missed all the Bush posts ?. >f

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

Not the biggest killer , but one of worst in our time . Pol Pot .
He killed over 20% of population , of his own people --Cambodia .
He starved them , he tortured them , shot them , killed all the teachers and intellectuals .
Over two million innocents .
Maybe not the biggest number of victims , but the most horrible thing I have seen in my lifetime .
All based on a insane dream , nothing anyone could ever understand >f

Very barbarian indeed

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by Fidelista

I must have missed all the Bush posts ?. >f

The forum is full of them.....bush bush bush...a decent debate cant be carried on for bush bashing..he has been gone over a year but the hate continues

[bp936]

Brett, to be serious,
one cannot understand, why people don't rise up against dictators? You have to live it to understand it

As under Hitler, people were starving, Hitler gave them a job. If you did not agree with his horrendous politics, you were taken away never to be seen. He had his stupid followers who did the job for him. If you were asked something about your neighbour, any answer that could be constrewed against the regime, and that person was gone. No one was allowed to have a gun, but the SS had them.
Your own kids were pitted against you, you couldn't trust anyone. You just tried to survive. You couldn't discuss anything with anyone, the walls had ears.
If you didn't want to starve or shut to death, if you wanted to protect your family, you stayed quiet. The same was under Stalin.Parents lived in fear, the kids might say something innocent but taken as a reason for you to be hauled away.

If you have no kids, you wouldn't understand the feeling of desperation and the willingness to protect them at any price.
It is nearly impossible to explain to today's generations, what happened last century. I am sure, it happened under many other regime and dictators and is still happening probably in parts of the world.
Actually you can't even be blamed for not understanding, you never lived through times like that.

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Why dont people turn against their barbarian leaders?....a mind is very gullable and easily brainwashed.
hate was put into mind set and hasnt faded yet to this date.

The problem is of course, when you live under a totalitarian regime, that the powers that be do not just consist of a few functionaries, one dictator and a fairly well organized and armed gang of thugs in support.

In order to get into the driver's seat this bunch initially needed considerable popular support and that can have fallen well shy of 50 pct.

Hitler's bunch got around 33 pct in that first election that got him into parliament "democratically". The problem was that the remaining 67 pct couldn't get their act together to unitedly shoot him down.

By the time the second elections (the last ones til after the war) came around the larger part of the opposition was either in jail, murdered or had fled the country.

After that it took a casual (careless, more likely) remark doubting the possibility of winning the war (most often reported by a "patriotic" neighbor) to get your head chopped off. A joke about the Fuehrer (there was an abundance of these jokes) got you into a CC.

Under Stalin it took none of these. Fate scowled upon you and they took you away at 4 in the morning, all it took was suspicion of just a whim.

The later GDR was nowhere near as brutal but equally daunting (the only one of the three I've personally experienced and then I was a foreigner who always left again as he could) but they all had the same thing in common. Total Control thru parts of the population (no secret police could never accomplish that on its own). And under that kind of control there is no breathing space to even try to organize a revolt. And without organization there is no revolt. The spontaneous revolt that finally broke down the wall profited from a leadership in Moscow that had showed it's reluctance to support an outdated Stalinist satellite regime. But it was touch and go there for a while. The tanks (both East German and Russian) stood ready.

Something the US thankfully never had to experience.

Makes me laugh when I hear you guys chucking the Nazi and Commie labels at each other. You don't know the half of it.

[Fidelista]

Originally Posted by buffoon

The problem is of course, when you live under a totalitarian regime, that the powers that be do not just consist of a few functionaries, one dictator and a fairly well organized and armed gang of thugs in support.

In order to get into the driver's seat this bunch initially needed considerable popular support and that can have fallen well shy of 50 pct.

Hitler's bunch got around 33 pct in that first election that got him into parliament "democratically". The problem was that the remaining 67 pct couldn't get their act together to unitedly shoot him down.

By the time the second elections (the last ones til after the war) came around the larger part of the opposition was either in jail, murdered or had fled the country.

After that it took a casual (careless, more likely) remark doubting the possibility of winning the war (most often reported by a "patriotic" neighbor) to get your head chopped off. A joke about the Fuehrer (there was an abundance of these jokes) got you into a CC.

Under Stalin it took none of these. Fate scowled upon you and they took you away at 4 in the morning, all it took was suspicion of just a whim.

The later GDR was nowhere near as brutal but equally daunting (the only one of the three I've personally experienced and then I was a foreigner who always left again as he could) but they all had the same thing in common. Total Control thru parts of the population (no secret police could never accomplish that on its own). And under that kind of control there is no breathing space to even try to organize a revolt. And without organization there is no revolt. The spontaneous revolt that finally broke down the wall profited from a leadership in Moscow that had showed it's reluctance to support an outdated Stalinist satellite regime. But it was touch and go there for a while. The tanks (both East German and Russian) stood ready.

Something the US thankfully never had to experience.

Makes me laugh when I hear you guys chucking the Nazi and Commie labels at each other. You don't know the half of it.

You are not the only one who laughs !
A very accurate view of how things worked/work .
Today , I don't believe many Americans have any idea of even what a "commie" or "nazi' is . Just negative names to throw at anyone who disagrees with them--liberal or conservative .
I suppose that is a blessing in some ways . >f

[Tankmaster]

Brett, to be serious,
one cannot understand, why people don't rise up against dictators? You have to live it to understand it

As under Hitler, people were starving, Hitler gave them a job. If you did not agree with his horrendous politics, you were taken away never to be seen. He had his stupid followers who did the job for him. If you were asked something about your neighbour, any answer that could be constrewed against the regime, and that person was gone. No one was allowed to have a gun, but the SS had them.
Your own kids were pitted against you, you couldn't trust anyone. You just tried to survive. You couldn't discuss anything with anyone, the walls had ears.
If you didn't want to starve or shut to death, if you wanted to protect your family, you stayed quiet. The same was under Stalin.Parents lived in fear, the kids might say something innocent but taken as a reason for you to be hauled away.

If you have no kids, you wouldn't understand the feeling of desperation and the willingness to protect them at any price.
It is nearly impossible to explain to today's generations, what happened last century. I am sure, it happened under many other regime and dictators and is still happening probably in parts of the world.
Actually you can't even be blamed for not understanding, you never lived through times like that.

Well Said Bp936,
You truly have to live it to understand it.

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by Tankmaster

Well Said Bp936,
You truly have to live it to understand it.

Hate to bust your cheerleading party on Bp936....but you have seemed to over skimmed a few posts

Originally Posted by aka Brett

Did anyone mention Muslim?,,,thats like playing the race card
perhaps it is his policy that he is shoving down our throats,,,,yes thats it

Originally Posted by aka Brett

What does this have to do with anything?
Is anyone bashing Muslims in this thread?
Obama is mentioned as not a favorite and you come forth to turn it into" Pro muslim agenda"
No one cares of his faith..but rather his actions.......................why are you bringing up a defense before an attack?........That reminds me of little johnny chewing his nails.....doesnt look good for Little johnny

[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by buffoon

The problem is of course, when you live under a totalitarian regime, that the powers that be do not just consist of a few functionaries, one dictator and a fairly well organized and armed gang of thugs in support.

In order to get into the driver's seat this bunch initially needed considerable popular support and that can have fallen well shy of 50 pct.

Hitler's bunch got around 33 pct in that first election that got him into parliament "democratically". The problem was that the remaining 67 pct couldn't get their act together to unitedly shoot him down.

By the time the second elections (the last ones til after the war) came around the larger part of the opposition was either in jail, murdered or had fled the country.

After that it took a casual (careless, more likely) remark doubting the possibility of winning the war (most often reported by a "patriotic" neighbor) to get your head chopped off. A joke about the Fuehrer (there was an abundance of these jokes) got you into a CC.

Under Stalin it took none of these. Fate scowled upon you and they took you away at 4 in the morning, all it took was suspicion of just a whim.

The later GDR was nowhere near as brutal but equally daunting (the only one of the three I've personally experienced and then I was a foreigner who always left again as he could) but they all had the same thing in common. Total Control thru parts of the population (no secret police could never accomplish that on its own). And under that kind of control there is no breathing space to even try to organize a revolt. And without organization there is no revolt. The spontaneous revolt that finally broke down the wall profited from a leadership in Moscow that had showed it's reluctance to support an outdated Stalinist satellite regime. But it was touch and go there for a while. The tanks (both East German and Russian) stood ready.

Something the US thankfully never had to experience.

Makes me laugh when I hear you guys chucking the Nazi and Commie labels at each other. You don't know the half of it.

Indeed..the mistake is made...people hold on to hope..meanwhile the problem gets worse...the few that actually can and will do something isnt enough to do any good. I expect that there were many who did not approve of the mass killings etc that they were doing for their famed leaders.....but kill or be killed can be the end result,,as the puppets rule...................it reminds me of the paper bag syndrome

[bp936]

buffoon

Something the US thankfully never had to experience.
Makes me laugh when I hear you guys chucking the Nazi and Commie labels at each other. You don't know the half of it.

Fidelsta

Today , I don't believe many Americans have any idea of even what a "commie" or "nazi' is . Just negative names to throw at anyone who disagrees with them--liberal or conservative .
I suppose that is a blessing in some ways .

Tankmaster

You truly have to live it to understand it.

Brett

Hate to bust your cheerleading party on Bp936....but you have seemed to over skimmed a few posts

just what do you mean by that, please show me where have I ever written something of the opposite?
I lived it, did you? Why don't you answer that?
And why won't you believe people who experienced real horror?

Despite growing up under terrible circumstances, I can't be as angry as you show yourself. Why are you so desperately angry?
This is supposed to be a simple thread about who we think, might have been the "worst person" in the world




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[aka Brett]

Originally Posted by bp936

just what do you mean by that, please show me where have I ever written something of the opposite?
I lived it, did you? Why don't you answer that?
And why won't you believe people who experienced real horror?

Despite growing up under terrible circumstances, I can't be as angry as you show yourself. Why are you so desperately angry?
This is supposed to be a simple thread about who we think, might have been the "worst person" in the world




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just what do you mean by that, please show me where have I ever written something of the opposite?
I lived it, did you? Why don't you answer that?

It was to TM...I am not doubting your past experiences.

Why are you so desperately angry?

I am not...although I do have feelings on it...we dont need any remakes of decades past...with mass killing.
We only need moves of advancing forward and at this time we are not doing as such...but rather seem to be back pedaling a bit..not wise for the future

[bp936]

looks like you are becoming smarter Brett, your last post is what we should all think about.