[valis]

there was a poll that was closed (and with rather good reason, IMO), but I still feel that this is something that is top-shelf quality as far as debate fodder.

Hopefully this thread will manage to maintain a modicum of civility, n'est pas?

[Blackmirror]

Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters
they should have waited

but when did Israel ever follow International law

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters
they should have waited

but when did Israel ever follow International law

They had every right to protect themselves if there were arms on the ship.

I agree the content of that poll was inappropriate but the discussion was good.

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters
they should have waited

but when did Israel ever follow International law

Israel had every right to board and search the ship in international waters . The US Coast Guard does it all the time looking for drugs.

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by wacor

They had every right to protect themselves if there were arms on the ship.

I agree the content of that poll was inappropriate but the discussion was good.

Lan jumped the gun

[valis]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Lan jumped the gun

I believe he reopened it.

[Littlefield]

http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...s/blog-337253/
Video of weapons found on the poor poor peace activist ship

[valis]

sodahead?

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters
they should have waited

....................................

Waited for what to happen?

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by valis

sodahead?

s Better,those are some wicked daggers

http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News...10/05/3106.htm

[wacor]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...s/blog-337253/
Video of weapons found on the poor poor peace activist ship

This was in that which seemed a bit interesting. Wonder if anybody can refute this

The deputy head of Israel's mission to the United Nations, Dan Carmon, told the Security Council, "Although portrayed in the media as a humanitarian mission delivering aid to Gaza, this flotilla was (not) a humanitarian mission. If indeed it were a humanitarian mission it would have accepted, weeks ago, during the planning stages, the offer by the Israeli authorities to transfer the aid, through to the port of Ashdod, to Gaza through the existing overland crossing, in accordance with established procedures. Many states and organizations, including the UN, are using those mechanisms on a daily basis.

"The Flotilla organizers not only rejected this offer, but stated clearly that (and I quote) 'this mission is not about delivering Humanitarian supply, but rather about breaking the Israeli siege,' as Greta Berlin, a flotilla spokesperson told the media last week."

[wacor]

They boarded all the other ships without incident

Looks like they had all the protesters on just the one eh?

Looking at the one film I can see the Israelis getting the crap beat out of them ala Rodney King

I have no doubt they found all those knives and stuff and given how they ganged up on the first soldiers I can see how they would take away a gun. And I don't find it unreasonable to assume they would do that and shoot the gun given their actions.

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by wacor

They boarded all the other ships without incident

Looks like they had all the protesters on just the one eh?

Looking at the one film I can see the Israelis getting the crap beat out of them ala Rodney King

I have no doubt they found all those knives and stuff and given how they ganged up on the first soldiers I can see how they would take away a gun. And I don't find it unreasonable to assume they would do that and shoot the gun given their actions.

Yes sir .


''When the soldiers attempted to board the Mavi Marmara, activists on board attacked the soldiers and stole two pistols in a prepared attack.

In this footage you can hear the radio exchange between soldiers on their way to the bridge and the IDF ship. The soldiers report encountering live fire and serious violence.''

We came with the intention of stopping the ship and taking it to Ashdod, and we did not come with the weapons we usually have, we came for something entirely different.”


http://dover.idf.il/IDF/English/News...10/06/0105.htm

[LANMaster]

Originally Posted by Blackmirror

Israel had no right to board the ships in International waters
they should have waited

but when did Israel ever follow International law

When has Hamas followed international law?

I can understand a reasonable person having empathy for the plight of so many innocent Palestinians.
I share that empathy.
What I cannot understand or tolerate is the misplaced empathy for Hamas, terrorists, militant activists, and anti-Semites who want nothing less than the extermination of the Jewish people and the annihilation of Israel.

The activists are the ones who caused this confrontation. What would you have Israel do? Allow ship loaded with illegal arms to simply pass, un-searched so they can be used to affect that "final solution" to the Jewish question?

I've had it. No more bowing to the UN or anyone else who thinks that Israel should just lay down and die.

[buffoon]

Just posted this in the piracy thing:

some different take on IHH, the humanitarian organization that did it all here

in practice, besides its legitimate humanitarian activities, IHH supports radical Islamic terrorist networks. In recent years it has prominently supported Hamas (through the Union of Good). In addition, the ITIC has reliable information that in the past IHH provided logistical support and funding to global jihad networks.

IHH is part of or under the umbrella of the Union of Good, which the US treasury appears to regard
with sufficient suspicion so as to freeze its US asset in 2008 and prohibit any US person from engaging in transactions with it. More at the link.
http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/hp1267.htm