[ckphilli]

Originally Posted by valis

Dunno about that one.........I think it's more their interpretation of their religion that won't let them......which is why I continually point to the fact that it seems rather un-christian to force one's opinions on someone else.

Fair enough.

[Ent]

What about it is "unchristian"?

[valis]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Well, if the whole thing flunks due to a "religious" majority vote of "con", I guess that's what it'll be, a majority.

Won't indicate that they're correct or incorrect, just what a majority wants.

As Opus the Penguin so wisely opined so many years ago:

A million penguins watched a plane fly from one direction to the other. As the plane flew above them, a million penguins fall onto their backs from watching the plane. And he said: "If a million penguins do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing. Just popular."

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Ent

What about it is "unchristian"?

Get a sufficient number of those voting to agree on that and .......end of story.

[Ent]

"If a million penguins do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing. Just popular."

That is very true. Conversely, if a million penguins do something very clever, it's both clever and popular.

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by valis

As Opus the Penguin so wisely opined so many years ago:

Brings us to the old adage of "eat manure, gazillions of flies cannot err"

[Ent]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Get a sufficient number of those voting to agree on that and .......end of story.

What constitutes "Christian" behavior is determined by Jesus, and no one else. To be Christian is to follow Jesus, to be like Jesus. Democracy doesn't feature in it. Again, what about it is unchristian?

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Get a sufficient number of those voting to agree on that and .......end of story.

Like those who voted in the 32 states where it was on the ballot each time and did not pass were unChristian

More Americans support gay marriage (47 percent) than oppose it (43 percent), according to a recent Pew survey. In 2004, 60 percent of Americans opposed it in Pew data. Only 8 percent were strongly in favor. In 2004, a majority did not support gay marriage in any state; by 2010, a majority did in 17.

Yet 32 times since 1998, voters have gone to the polls and voted against gay marriage.* Thirty-eight states prohibit gay marriage in some fashion. Even in “blue” states like California, Oregon and Delaware, gay marriage bans stand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...lNDU_blog.html

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Ent

"If a million penguins do a stupid thing, it's still a stupid thing. Just popular."

That is very true. Conversely, if a million penguins do something very clever, it's both clever and popular.

and there lies the rub. Get a million penguins to do something popular and we still have to establish whether it's also clever or not.

I predict a variety of opinions, undoubtedly all backed by pertinent substantiation. All the way to it being clever to fall on your back when a plane flies overhead.

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Ent

.............Democracy doesn't feature in it...............

Democracy features, period.

To follow your stance would be abrogating democracy and I'm sure that's not what you're saying.

[Ent]

Originally Posted by buffoon

and there lies the rub. Get a million penguins to do something popular and we still have to establish whether it's also clever or not.

I predict a variety of opinions, undoubtedly all backed by pertinent substantiation. All the way to it being clever to fall on your back when a plane flies overhead.

If anyone can give a sensible reason for that, sure. It's probably better than the Ostrich response of burying one's head in the sand.

Meanwhile, where can I get these penguins? I've been trying to draw a decent penguin for a while now, but couldn't get a model. :hopeful:

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Littlefield

Like those who voted in the 32 states where it was on the ballot each time and did not pass were unChristian


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...lNDU_blog.html

what one favors and what one votes for are two things that should not be confused.

[Ent]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Democracy features, period.

To follow your stance would be abrogating democracy and I'm sure that's not what you're saying.

I'm saying that democracy has no place in determining what constitutes "christian" behavior. In governing a country it seems to be pretty much the best system we've found so far.

[Littlefield]

Originally Posted by buffoon

what one favors and what one votes for are two things that should not be confused.

But it says something when 32 states do not have enough votes to pass gay marriage

[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Ent

If anyone can give a sensible reason for that, sure. It's probably better than the Ostrich response of burying one's head in the sand.

Well, for one thing, one has a heck of a hard time sighting that "ack-ack" while on one's belly.

Meanwhile, where can I get these penguins? I've been trying to draw a decent penguin for a while now, but couldn't get a model. :hopeful:

Last I heard, they're all flat out.