[buffoon]

Originally Posted by Drabdr

Just this thread, or the entire forum?

Hahahahahahahaha.

Good one

[Dude044]

If I iwas going nominate a thread or topic for in the waste basket it would be windows me :P

[Dude044]

after that it would be romney then the prez

[buffoon]

I'd be willing to keep all three as threads if we could trash the originals.

[aka Brett]

How long has this Armstrong situation been going on?
The obviously have nothing..but want to have him dirty.
You win, you pass the drugs tests,have fun...Is how it should be anyway.
Isnt training itself cheating?
Eating right before an event?
Taking prescription drugs for ones own health?...Regardless of the need...from antibiotics to thyroid meds.
Isnt that cheating...without them you are not as healthy
Who is to say that you cant have any juice?...Who is to say production isnt low and needs a boost...is it ok if prescribed by a doctor..well ofcourse not...its juice.
How about him beating cancer...now that was cheating...he used drugs to do such..which made him healthier than he would be during the events
Sports...they simply suck anymore...to much whine from every one.
I dont watch em anymore...I did watch part of the Olympics.
I do remember a Chinese woman doing real well in swimming ...you guessed before any tests etc..she was accused of doing drugs....Sad

[buffoon]

Right, so we have the solution.

Scrap anti doping regulations, let everyone take what they want, medically indicated or not.

A thread designed to query whether somebody doped or not has turned into a philosophical debate on whether cheating should indeed not simply be deemed as acceptable.

Guess this can be marked solved.

[aka Brett]

Just as well scrap em....Win/ pass test..should be the end.
If the Authorities cant say he doped how can I
What I find disturbing is the 7k poll where half said yes.
So why win if half the people automatically think you are guilty without any proof....and you are passing tests
"He has been winning so he has been doping"..."I just know he is"
People really disappoint me

As far as I am concerned if he was cheating so then was the rest....If they can dope and pass the test..then that is what they are going to do...these are high stakes games.

One has to look at it like this as well...if everyone else is cheating I will have to as well or I cant win...If I dont cheat I cant win..if I get caught cheating I lose If I dont get caught I win........so one has nothing to lose by cheating in the above circumstance.

But back to the point directly.....I will have to have an indisputable blood test before I can say he cheated.
But at this point I wouldnt even trust that.....do the same test enough times for a product which also occurs naturally in the body...and you will eventually find an elevated result{which is what they are hoping for}...and as far as I know they couldnt even get that.
Same applies to repetitive investigations that rely on witness...no thanks I will side with science.
If they had anything then they dont need a hearing and testimony from him

Innocent
Yes Buffoon solved it is

[nittiley]

Originally Posted by buffoon

Right, so we have the solution.

Scrap anti doping regulations, let everyone take what they want, medically indicated or not.

A thread designed to query whether somebody doped or not has turned into a philosophical debate on whether cheating should indeed not simply be deemed as acceptable.

Guess this can be marked solved.

the point i was apparently not articulating well enough was that the term "cheating" is a relative one.

it's relative to what society deems dishonourable at the time.

for the sake of an example for anyone who cares to hear it, i'll pretend that babe ruth was slurping beer during baseball games, & it complied with the rules of baseball as well as the laws of the nation. suppose, then, that prohibition was enacted in the middle of the world series --> babe ruth continues to quaff, management turns a blind eye to it, as ruth is winning.

ruth gets caught & suddenly there is an outcry that ruth *cheated* and all of his accomplishments prior to prohibition should be revoked. in the meantime, management (or competition) pressures ruth to ingest legal prescription drugs, in order to keep him at bat.

ultimately, the prescription drugs are considered performance enhancing drugs, & they are banned as well. the decision is made that baseball cannot be considered a pure sport anymore, & the entire pastime is scrapped.

my opinion, but those who love baseball would attempt to adjust the situation with the sport in order for it to continue. babe ruth (or for this thread, lance armstrong & cycling) or not.

[buffoon]

I have already expressed my lack of desire wrt addressing anything that seems neither new nor of particular sense or substance. But my post was in reference to brett's entry and not to invite regurgitation of analogies, the quality (IMO) of which I have already sufficiently opined upon.

So quoting it is, in view of the above first sentence, a total waste of time.

I shall return here when any interesting developments occur on the matter and outside of this thread.

[nittiley]

Originally Posted by buffoon

I have already expressed my lack of desire wrt addressing anything that seems neither new nor of particular sense or substance. But my post was in reference to brett's entry and not to invite regurgitation of analogies, the quality (IMO) of which I have already sufficiently opined upon.

So quoting it is, in view of the above first sentence, a total waste of time.

I shall return here when any interesting developments occur on the matter and outside of this thread.

oh .

i wasn't sure if the absence of directly quoting aka-brett meant your post was of a more generalised nature, & not only in response to aka-brett.

which provoked my thought that perhaps (to either to you, &/or to anyone viewing.. assuming anyone dares to venture in) i had been unclear.

thanks for the clarification

[Littlefield]

The evidence of the US Postal Service Pro Cycling Team-run scheme is overwhelming and is in excess of 1000 pages, and includes sworn testimony from 26 people, including 15 riders with knowledge of the US Postal Service Team (USPS Team) and its participants’ doping activities. The evidence also includes direct documentary evidence including financial payments, emails, scientific data and laboratory test results that further prove the use, possession and distribution of performance enhancing drugs by Lance Armstrong and confirm the disappointing truth about the deceptive activities of the USPS Team, a team that received tens of millions of American taxpayer dollars in funding.

Thread solved

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...list-armstrong
http://www.businessinsider.com/lance...doping-2012-10

[valis]

was wondering if this was going to have a thread-surrection.....and 'not quite solved' is how I would put it........

http://espn.go.com/olympics/cycling/...ong-usada-says

The UCI has asked for details of the case before it decides whether to sign off on the sanctions. The federation has 21 days to appeal the case to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

USADA has said it doesn't need UCI's approval and Armstrong's penalties already are in place.

the bolded part just strengthens my belief this is little more than a witch-hunt.....but again, that's an 'IMO' deal.

[Littlefield]

http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderre...port-to-detail

The 11 teammates of Armstrong who provided testimony are Frankie Andreu, Michael Barry, Tom Danielson, Tyler Hamilton, George Hincapie, Floyd Landis, Levi Leipheimer, Stephen Swart, Christian Vande Velde, Jonathan Vaughters, and David Zabriskie.

The complete report runs to over 1,000 pages, and will be published Wednesday afternoon.

[valis]

and?

Way I see it, nothing irrefutable has come out, and USADA is still losing face trying to outrank the UCI.

Regardless, you and I are on opposite sides of the fence on this, and will most likely remain there until said evidence arises.

[buffoon]

dang it, now I gotta read 202 pages of the darn stuff.

So, in my best Schwarzenegger mode: "Eye'll bee buck"

Meanwhile, for the masochists, here it is. Those persisting in denial can print it out and smoke it in their pipe. Should be a long puff.