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21-Jun-2012, 08:54 AM #1
How many states allow this?
I have just read the horrific story about a man who beat to death another man he caught sexually abusing his five year old daughter in a barn. Apparently , he (the paedophile) was spotted carrying the screaming child into a barn where the father caught the man with his trousers and underwear down , and on top of the child. He then beat the man so badly that he called the emergency services in a panic because he was afraid the chap may die , which he did. However , he was told he would not face any charges because the use of lethal force to stop a sexual assault was authorised in that state. The state being Texas. Some actualy said the man deserves a medal for what he did and I agree one hundred percent !! Vermin like this should be disposed of as a matter of course. In my country the man would have been more than likely charged with murder and would have had to go through the legal process to prove provocation despite all the evidence proving the father had a very strong case. How many US States would allow the use of lethal force in similar circumstances?. Texas is obviously one , but how many more?
My source for this story is on Sky news.
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21-Jun-2012, 08:59 AM #2
Texas is a state unto itself.....and I live here. Personally, I'm perfectly fine with it as well. Apparently what has gotten the populace in a tizzy is that it was vigilante justice; no trial, jury, etc........whatever.

out of the 50 states? How many would allow this?

Good question. Personally, I don't think that the father would be prosecuted in ANY state, but I wouldn't bet on that.....
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21-Jun-2012, 09:09 AM #3
I must admit that as a father myself , and no doubt most fathers out there , would have done the same thing if it had happened to any of us. The last thing on my mind would have been justice. It surely is every parents worst nightmare.
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21-Jun-2012, 09:55 AM #4
Actually, a good question. When it comes down to it is if a prosecutor would go after someone.

It's really hard to know, as there were no witnesses who can testify.

My question would be if there was a clear point where the rapist was "clearly" no longer a threat, but he kept beating him.

I have been taught I can defend myself until they are no longer perceived a threat.

So I have a rapist in a choke and the second they stop fighting and such I let go , OK. but when that are flailing (sp?) for life or stop moving and I continue, they may not be OK.

But a man catching another man raping his 5 year old daughter, I can't imagine there would be too much resistance from society.
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Actually, a good question. When it comes down to it is if a prosecutor would go after someone.

It's really hard to know, as there were no witnesses who can testify.

My question would be if there was a clear point where the rapist was "clearly" no longer a threat, but he kept beating him.

I have been taught I can defend myself until they are no longer perceived a threat.

So I have a rapist in a choke and the second they stop fighting and such I let go , OK. but when that are flailing (sp?) for life or stop moving and I continue, they may not be OK.

But a man catching another man raping his 5 year old daughter, I can't imagine there would be too much resistance from society.
Consider how much adrenaline must have been flowing at the time. Hard to stop. Especially in this case. I wonder how many other children this miscreant has molested.
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Consider how much adrenaline must have been flowing at the time. Hard to stop. Especially in this case. I wonder how many other children this miscreant has molested.
Yea. I doubt the DA would even try. No jury would convict;especially in Texas.
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21-Jun-2012, 12:13 PM #7
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Yea. I doubt the DA would even try. No jury would convict;especially in Texas.
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21-Jun-2012, 03:52 PM #8
Blue007,

Are you wishing to debate whether this should or shouldn't be allowed? Because your initial post did not present any debate, it merely asks a question. If you just want to know which other States might allow this then we'll remove the debate tag.
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Blue007,

Are you wishing to debate whether this should or shouldn't be allowed? Because your initial post did not present any debate, it merely asks a question. If you just want to know which other States might allow this then we'll remove the debate tag.
As I am a newcomer to your forum , please forgive me for not getting things right !!. I merely wanted to know how many States would allow this , but also to find out whether or not this kind of action taken by the father is acceptable given the circumstances. I leave it in you good hands to decide whether to remove the tag or not.
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22-Jun-2012, 06:08 PM #10
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As I am a newcomer to your forum , please forgive me for not getting things right !!. I merely wanted to know how many States would allow this , but also to find out whether or not this kind of action taken by the father is acceptable given the circumstances. I leave it in you good hands to decide whether to remove the tag or not.
Hey , not an issue. Thanks for replying.

Well remove the tag for now. Carry on with the topic.

Thanks for starting a thread, and feel free to ask any questions.
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22-Jun-2012, 06:10 PM #11
Thanks Blue007 and Brad.
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22-Jun-2012, 07:15 PM #12
Blue007 You may be interested in this site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law
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22-Jun-2012, 07:45 PM #13
poochee, I don't believe the "SYG" applies in this case nor was it intended for this type of incident. Our resident lawyer may chime in, but I would think this case would be justifiable homicide and the DA made that call as I understand it. This could always be reversed if the family of the deceased felt it was a murder and pressed the issue.
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poochee, I don't believe the "SYG" applies in this case nor was it intended for this type of incident. Our resident lawyer may chime in, but I would think this case would be justifiable homicide and the DA made that call as I understand it. This could always be reversed if the family of the deceased felt it was a murder and pressed the issue.
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22-Jun-2012, 08:58 PM #15
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poochee, I don't believe the "SYG" applies in this case nor was it intended for this type of incident. Our resident lawyer may chime in, but I would think this case would be justifiable homicide and the DA made that call as I understand it. This could always be reversed if the family of the deceased felt it was a murder and pressed the issue.



FWIW... here is one article on the story:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...hter-molester/

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The tense, nearly five-minute 911 call begins with the father saying that he "beat up" a man found raping his daughter. The father grows increasingly frazzled, cursing and crying into the phone so loudly at times that the call often becomes inaudible.

At one point tells the dispatcher he's going to put the man in his truck and drive him to a hospital before sheriff's deputies finally arrive.

"He's going to die!" the father screams. "He's going to (expletive) die!"


No... not sure they would ever find anyone to try that case.
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