[specter13]

I know this site doesn't support illegal activities, so read before you flame

--I own this movie I am talking about--

I recently downloaded a movie onto my computer and shortly thereafter recieved a letter from my ISP stating that I had infringed upon a copyright. The reason i D/Led it is because I dont have a DVD drive at the moment and wanted it on my laptop. Since I own this DVD is it still Copyright Infrigement since I D/Led it from bittorrent?

[imidiot]

i did read and not flame. just copy and paste.

Is it OK to download a movie?

It is not legal to download a copyrighted (and therefore any major) movie from the Internet, even if you only keep it on your computer for an hour. It doesn't matter; it's still illegal. If you want to watch a movie, you have to go out and buy a ticket, rent it, or buy it on video or DVD. That's it. You can't just go downloading it, even if it isn't available in any of those legal ways. The only exception to the "no online movie" rule is MovieLink, where you can virtually rent movies online.

http://www.stealingisillegal.com/faqs.php

[r'n'r]

the question of whether it is illegal or not to download a movie you allready own depends on wich country you live as all countries have different copyright laws and the info in the link given is not being given by a laywer or any official organization but by someone who runs a computer consultation business (and this site) you can check his qualifications here http://www.mikecermak.com/education/
However having said the above whatever country you are in you have probably broken the copyright laws as you used bittorrent wich uploads as it downloads

[imidiot]

Originally Posted by r'n'r

the question of whether it is illegal or not to download a movie you allready own depends on wich country you live as all countries have different copyright

The MPA directs anti-piracy operations to protect its member companies’ copyrighted works through the enforcement of copyright and other laws in approximately 70 territories throughout the world, including in 14 countries

http://www.mpaa.org/piracy_IntLaw.asp



and the above was found here.

http://www.mpaa.org/index.asp

[Couriant]

Originally Posted by specter13

Since I own this DVD is it still Copyright Infrigement since I D/Led it from bittorrent?

Yep.

[JohnWill]

You bet your booties! The only way you got it in that format is to break the copy protection on the DVD somewhere along the line. That's against the law.

[JohnWill]

Originally Posted by r'n'r

the question of whether it is illegal or not to download a movie you allready own depends on wich country you live as all countries have different copyright laws and the info in the link given is not being given by a laywer or any official organization but by someone who runs a computer consultation business (and this site) you can check his qualifications here http://www.mikecermak.com/education/
However having said the above whatever country you are in you have probably broken the copyright laws as you used bittorrent wich uploads as it downloads

He's in the US, and it's against the law here.

[r'n'r]

As I said in my first post as you used bittorrent you have probably broken copyright law as it UPLOADS while it downloads
However there are some posts here that are confusing or misleading

Originally Posted by imidiot

Quote:
Originally Posted by r'n'r
the question of whether it is illegal or not to download a movie you allready own depends on wich country you live as all countries have different copyright


Quote:
The MPA directs anti-piracy operations to protect its member companies’ copyrighted works through the enforcement of copyright and other laws in approximately 70 territories throughout the world, including in 14 countries
http://www.mpaa.org/piracy_IntLaw.asp



and the above was found here.

http://www.mpaa.org/index.asp

Not sure what your trying to say here unless your trying to state that the 14 countries that the MPAA directs operations in have the same laws (which they don't) or that 14 countries = the world (which they don't)

Originally Posted by JohnWill

You bet your booties! The only way you got it in that format is to break the copy protection on the DVD somewhere along the line. That's against the law.

The people who download a film haven't broken the copy protection and breaking copy protection is not illegal in all countries the person who broke the copy protection may live in a country where that is perfectly legal

Originally Posted by JohnWill

Quote:
Originally Posted by r'n'r
the question of whether it is illegal or not to download a movie you allready own depends on wich country you live as all countries have different copyright laws and the info in the link given is not being given by a laywer or any official organization but by someone who runs a computer consultation business (and this site) you can check his qualifications here http://www.mikecermak.com/education/
However having said the above whatever country you are in you have probably broken the copyright laws as you used bittorrent wich uploads as it downloads


He's in the US, and it's against the law here.

If your saying uploading copyright material in the US is against the law your right if your saying that downloading a film that you allready own a copy of is illegal then your only guessing. Untill a court case is brought against someone who only downloads something they own and a judge rules one way or the other this may be considered fair use

Also how do you know he's Ammerican no info in his profile suggests a country and if your going by IP (being a mod you can probably see that) then take proxies into account

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by r'n'r

if your saying that downloading a film that you allready own a copy of is illegal then your only guessing. Untill a court case is brought against someone who only downloads something they own and a judge rules one way or the other this may be considered fair use

That's not true, whether the copy protection was broken legally or not the mere fact that it's a unlicensed copy makes it illegal in the US under copyright law. There's also the issue of the integrity of the work which is another tenent of copyright law. By converting to one of the common compressed foramts you have visually altered the original as the producer of the material inteded it to be seen.

You own the disc not the content. You're agument about court cases would only apply to exact duplicates you have made of discs you own.

[imidiot]

Originally Posted by r'n'r

Also how do you know he's Ammerican no info in his profile suggests a country and if your going by IP (being a mod you can probably see that) then take proxies into account

i am by no means a moderator. but i do know how to search and read.

Howdy! My name is Michael Joseph Cermak, Jr.

I was born on March 30, 1981 in Pittsburgh, PA USA and currently reside in Waynesboro, PA USA.

if that does not have AMERICAN (USA) writing all over it. i do not know what does. where i found that is below.



http://www.mikecermak.com/personal/

[r'n'r]

Originally Posted by imidiot

i am by no means a moderator. but i do know how to search and read.



if that does not have AMERICAN (USA) writing all over it. i do not know what does. where i found that is below.



http://www.mikecermak.com/personal/

I was not refering to you I was responding to JohnWill who is quoted just above where I asked that question and who is a mod, try re-reading my last post and you see that the question is not directed at you, if JohnWill did mean Mike Cermak instead of the original poster then that question is answered

Originally Posted by thecoalman

Quote:
Originally Posted by r'n'r
if your saying that downloading a film that you allready own a copy of is illegal then your only guessing. Untill a court case is brought against someone who only downloads something they own and a judge rules one way or the other this may be considered fair use

That's not true, whether the copy protection was broken legally or not the mere fact that it's a unlicensed copy makes it illegal in the US under copyright law. There's also the issue of the integrity of the work which is another tenent of copyright law. By converting to one of the common compressed foramts you have visually altered the original as the producer of the material inteded it to be seen.

You own the disc not the content. You're agument about court cases would only apply to exact duplicates you have made of discs you own.

The only comparison I can find in law would be the case by the RIAA against Diamond Multimedia Sytems where under appeal the 9th curcuit said that putitng music you own onto a compter hard drive or MP3 player is space shifting, like recording something off of TV to watch later is time shifting, and allowable
If your intrestead in the case there is the judges summary here http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/9th/9856727.html
Its a bit of a read but it does explain why it may not be considered to be an unliscensed copy and why my argument about court cases does not only apply to exact duplicates

[smeegle]

So, specter13, are you still there? Did they say anything about bringing legal action against you?

[thecoalman]

Originally Posted by r'n'r

The only comparison I can find in law would be the case by the RIAA against Diamond Multimedia Sytems where under appeal the 9th curcuit said that putitng music

I can stop reading right there... Music is different in that it's covered under The Home Recording Act an amendmant to copyright law specific to audio. There is no such provision for DVD's, video or the like.

[r'n'r]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

I can stop reading right there... Music is different in that it's covered under The Home Recording Act an amendmant to copyright law specific to audio. There is no such provision for DVD's, video or the like.

You can start reading again because the case I pointed to brought about that amendment so at the time of that case there was no provision for music so as I say untill there is a court case for video this is a comparison

[Couriant]

r'n'r: Why would do download something you already own? The problem is with people who DONT own them.