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11-Apr-2009, 05:55 PM #1
Message Tracing
I was just wondering if anyone might happen to know as to how I can trace the source of e-mail messages and Yahoo IM's down to the point of the location of the client computer that sent the message orginally.

I am asking about this because I have come across a lot of internet scams and I would like to trace the source of the messages so that I can try to follow up on them for purposes of private investigation and law enforcement.

This is a major concern of mine as I am getting sick and tired of running across these scammers and I personally would like to put a stop to them by as much as I possibly can and the best way that I can see of doing that is by gathering as much information that I can that will help me to shut them down at the source without them being aware of it until it is too late for them.

The way that I see it is if they can use techniques that hackers might use to cause a security breach, then why can't I use similar techniques on them to put them out of business.
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11-Apr-2009, 08:29 PM #2
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This is a major concern of mine as I am getting sick and tired of running across these scammers and I personally would like to put a stop to them by as much as I possibly can and the best way that I can see of doing that is by gathering as much information that I can that will help me to shut them down at the source without them being aware of it until it is too late for them.
if you use an on-line email, [yahoo, whatever], just click on 'full headers' - gives you the COMPLETE routings, well, not to the client doing it, but to their portal anyway,

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The way that I see it is if they can use techniques that hackers might use to cause a security breach, then why can't I use similar techniques on them to put them out of business.
because you really don't want to / cant break the law to do that, and, it would just lower you to their standards,

but what makes me scratch my head is some of that 'junk' i get from the spammers / scammers ISN'T even addressed to ME, so why does yahoo, gmail, etc., put in MY inbox???
and it seems when i add a new 'filter' - seems to just be MORE from that domain with just A letter changed in the addressing, go figure!!!

there are a few places you can report them to,
- their isp, [as though they really care]
- your local states attourney, [in usa]
- there are a couple federal agencies that deal with this problem,

reporting spam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=reporting+spam

reporting scammers
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...rting+scammers

doesn' really seem to do much good though, especially now with the economy what it is, the excuse i hear now is, 'but they've cut our budget'

such as this:
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/.../reporting.htm

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The Secret Service is apparently tired of getting all your spam so they now request that you contact a field office only if you have suffered a substantial loss.
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11-Apr-2009, 08:35 PM #3
Dear rdonovan1,
Your point about role-reversal is well taken! I read about a recent scam in a town in USA, called Sandwitch where the hacker could gain access to the town's treasurer by Key-logging onto the official's computer and stole 50,000 dollars! The White-collar squad was called in and they could trace it to Ukraine! All they could do was alert the surrounding towns! The hackers are naturally very crafty and use internet cafe's to play this deadly game. Do you think these people are using their own PCs for such purposes? If you view the thread"are A-Vs a waste of money",you can see a post by "hewee" (in the previous to last page?)where a free anti-keylogger program is mentioned and you may download it! Your intention is laudable, but "may" or "may not" succeed! Will get back!

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11-Apr-2009, 10:37 PM #4
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I was just wondering if anyone might happen to know as to how I can trace the source of e-mail messages and Yahoo IM's down to the point of the location of the client computer that sent the message orginally.
I am getting sick and tired of running across these scammers and I personally would like to put a stop to them by as much as I possibly can and the best way that I can see of doing that.
In Gmail you can try this: http://tinyurl.com/ckfzgk
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11-Apr-2009, 11:17 PM #5
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I was just wondering if anyone might happen to know as to how I can trace the source of e-mail messages and Yahoo IM's down to the point of the location of the client computer that sent the message orginally.

I am asking about this because I have come across a lot of internet scams and I would like to trace the source of the messages so that I can try to follow up on them for purposes of private investigation and law enforcement.

This is a major concern of mine as I am getting sick and tired of running across these scammers and I personally would like to put a stop to them by as much as I possibly can and the best way that I can see of doing that is by gathering as much information that I can that will help me to shut them down at the source without them being aware of it until it is too late for them.

The way that I see it is if they can use techniques that hackers might use to cause a security breach, then why can't I use similar techniques on them to put them out of business.
To what end? Most spam originates outside the United States. The FBI has a team of investigators and the ability to issue subpoenas and make arrests.

You can't find the physical address of a person who sends an e-mail message. Believing otherwise is called the CSI Syndrome.
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I Ditto that!
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