[crjdriver]

What to do with a “Problem Build”

First are you getting the board to post [power on self test] If yes follow the first set of instructions

Board posts however there are lockups, bsod, cannot install windows

1) Since it posts, check your temps in the bios. It is very difficult to say what a “Normal” temp should be since each type of cpu [P4, Athlon, AMD64, etc] has a normal temp. What you should see in the bios is a stable temp of <55C. If the temp is much higher than that, you probably have the heatsink fan installed incorrectly.

2) If the temps are ok, pull all cards from the system except the video card. Disconnect any peripherals such as printer, scanner, usb hub, etc. Is it stable now? If so you have a problem with a piece of hardware or its driver.

3) Test the memory with a tester like memtest86. Just because you see a memory test during post means nothing. All that does is check to see if the memory is there. It does not check each memory address. Note this test is run from bootable media ie CD or floppy; there is no need for an operating system to be installed.

4) Power supply. A modern P4 or AMD64 needs a quality power supply. It is difficult to say what wattage you will need since this is dependant on many things; the number of fans, the number of hard drives you have installed, the type of video card you have installed, amount of ram, etc. A bare minimum would be in the neighborhood of 350W. The power supplies that come with many cases [however not all] are junk. Since modern systems make a very high demand on the 12V rail of the power supply, what you are looking for is something around 20+ amps on the 12V rail. Some good brands of power supplies are Antec, Enermax, Enlight, Sparkle, and some models of Coolmax. There are other quality units, however those are what I use in my builds.


You assembled the system, and it will not post


1) Remove EVERYTHING from the case
2) Set the motherboard on a non conductive surface. The motherboard box is perfect for this. .DO NOT PLACE THE MOTHERBOARD ON THE STATIC BAG! The outside of some of these can actually conduct electricity! We are going to try and assemble a running system outside of the case.
3) Install the CPU and heat sink.
4) Install the RAM (only install 1 stick for SDRAM and DDR2 ram, 2 for RDRAM)
5) Install the video card. Do make sure the card is FULLY seated.
6) Connect the monitor to the video card.
7) Connect the power supply to the motherboard. Make sure you also connect the extra power connector used on many boards. Often this is a 4pin type connector. Some boards [Abit] also use a molex in addition to the above connectors.
8) Connect power to the power supply
9) Do NOT connect ANYTHING else. Make sure you have the power connector on the CPU fan connected.
10) Use a small screwdriver to momentarily short the power switch connector on the motherboard.

If all is well, it should power up and you should get a display. You now have found you have a mounting problem. The board is shorting to the case. If not, then you most likely have a faulty component. You will need to swap parts with known good units ie power supply, cpu, ram, video card.


How to mount a new board in a case

1) Remove the IO plate from the back of the case.
2) Place the board in the case and use something like a sharpie or a pencil to mark the case where you will need to install the standoffs.
3) Remove the board and install the standoffs.
4) Install the IO plate
5) Place the board on the standoffs and slide it into the IO plate. Secure it with the screws provided with the case.

Just a reminder do not buy cheap parts!!!
I have one rule.

Quality hardware and properly installed software do not lockup, bsod, reboot itself, etc

[Ziggy587]

I guess most retail PCs aren't quality ; )

Nice guide.

[Muy Raro]

Do you really think the retail chain stores care about quality??? They make money on volume...not on customer satisfaction...if there's problems, they simply throw it on their distributors back not theirs! Remember, they have the salesmean under their belt which means commissions and preassure....and futher more, the saleman talking the bs does not care if you will have any problems with what ever unit you purchase from a retail store!!!! Learned from experience....

Read, learn and build yourself...don't buy these "so-called" good deal fancy units from the re-tailers!!!

I've done so myself.

[sal10]

Originally Posted by Muy Raro

Read, learn and build yourself.

There is weirdness, though. I recently couldn't get to POST (Power-on Self Test by the BIOS), just a black screen on my monitor, because a modem cable was crooked slightly in the card. It had recently had problems with the computer automatically rebooting, or shutting down for no reason. People was so all-fired concerned with viruses, that those I asked never once imagined it might be a bad power supply. It was only when I put my hand to the back of the PSU (Power Supply Unit) fan that I found it wasn't even spinning - possible problem there. The new one bolted right in, problems gone.

To assemble one of these newer MB, you have to hook up the CPU fan cable and the power connector. Then you hook up the power connectors for each drive. There's not much more to it, except to tie up the cables cleanly for nice air flow, keeping some separation, etc, etc. The little touches. Some even like a pad on the inside side panel for noise reduction. But the fans and drives are pretty quiet to begin with.

Makes it easy to build yourself. The real test isn't connecting the hardware, except maybe for which drive goes on which sort of cable. Even that's less a concern. The real test is installing the OS and drivers. That's the 'money'. It the behavior of the software. And I do think that where the hardware has been reduced to just a few connections, installing the software is nothing like it used to be. Win31 even came on floppy disk. You put them in, one after another. And you had a fully functional OS, in fact THE breakthrough OS for Microsoft, the first to have Truetype. Well - anyways.

[estehjimmy]

I have an Acer Power FH, upgraded ram to 2GB and HD to 280GB, formated the HD and got the dual boot with win vista buis and win XP pro, but the pro didn't get drivers for the network, so I go to the acer support site and I cant find any drivers for it and the network drive is built in to the motherboard i.e. I only find ones for PCI/PCIE... HELP PLEASE

[croesonen]

some good advice on your three posts perhaps you could do one on Microsofts blue screens of death and give info on which blue screen is for say the power suply or say memory and so on. geoff. (beginner UK)

[petehelfrich2000]

GA-M55plus-S3G Sound Blaster Live Plat. ISSUE

The first board was DOA. I bought another Gigabyte model and returned it due to the same issue.

The M55+ came back from RMA, and no matter what I seem to do it will not work with my old but trusty Sound Blaster Live Plat. card. The card works with WINDOWS DRIVERS (= WOW) when I pop it in my cousins MSI board.

Is this just another issue with Gigabytes boards? Any suggestions?

[Mrcrowley1967]

Originally Posted by petehelfrich2000

GA-M55plus-S3G Sound Blaster Live Plat. ISSUE

The first board was DOA. I bought another Gigabyte model and returned it due to the same issue.

The M55+ came back from RMA, and no matter what I seem to do it will not work with my old but trusty Sound Blaster Live Plat. card. The card works with WINDOWS DRIVERS (= WOW) when I pop it in my cousins MSI board.

Is this just another issue with Gigabytes boards? Any suggestions?

For that reason (return two motherboardfs DOA) I went with ASUS in the past 15 years havnt had a problem with them sence wait not true, exxcept when lighting hit my house and made a fireworks display of my pc system cool to watch BAD to replace...

[petehelfrich2000]

If I thought some other clown would buy the board for enough $$$ so that I could go MSI (ASUS's Tech support has slipped, and their customer service people are beyond stupid = it took me 4 days of calling this clown & spelling out my email in military P = as in Paul, etc.; just to get an RMA # emailed to me).

I SHOULD have gone MSI, but I needed onboard video (not enough $$ to go big), 4-8 GB ram capacity, and it fit the bill on paper. MSI boards are rock solid and their tech support & RMA program is bar none.

HAVING SAID THAT, IT STILL DOES NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE AT HAND. SO RATHER THAN TOSS MY $120 BOARD TO THE AFRICAN JUNGLE, WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS?

[Goblin072]

What does sound card do when you boot? Does it show up in the device drivers?
You will do better by using forums than calling tech support.

Originally Posted by petehelfrich2000

If I thought some other clown would buy the board for enough $$$ so that I could go MSI (ASUS's Tech support has slipped, and their customer service people are beyond stupid = it took me 4 days of calling this clown & spelling out my email in military P = as in Paul, etc.; just to get an RMA # emailed to me).

I SHOULD have gone MSI, but I needed onboard video (not enough $$ to go big), 4-8 GB ram capacity, and it fit the bill on paper. MSI boards are rock solid and their tech support & RMA program is bar none.

HAVING SAID THAT, IT STILL DOES NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE AT HAND. SO RATHER THAN TOSS MY $120 BOARD TO THE AFRICAN JUNGLE, WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS?

[eccwoes]

estehjimmy, were you looking for drivers under the name of the motherboard and not the name of the computer? (cos you should be). You could also try doing a search under your motherboard name at driverguide.com. you also might get more help if you post your problem as a new thread rather than here.

[Ziggy587]

[quote=Muy Raro]Read, learn and build yourself...don't buy these "so-called" good deal fancy units from the re-tailers!!!
[quote]
Yeah, but its more expensive to build your own. Especially if its quality you're going for. Also, building a machine yourself shares the same problems. Who's to say you're not going to get a part DOA, or have it fry itself in a week, or an hour.

My "good" primary PC failed early this year and I've yet to replace it. I'm still undecided if I want to build or buy.

[monst3r91]

ty crj, i will use this guide tomorrow to fix my crap...*sigh*...im done for today

[rmay635703]

Hopefully the newbies try this stuff first before asking questions whether it is dead or not.

Excellent stuff.