[ourselfish]

TOPICS:
Amd vs Intel tradition.
Phenom 9950 vs 9650 quadcore
The Budget - Phenom 9950 vs E7300
Overclocking
The Intel Build
The Amd Build


Although traditionally Intel has a history multitasking easier. While Amd has dealt with single tasks faster. By moving information differently Amd MHz and Intel MHz never add up, If you've ever heard the "bucket analogy", Intel uses more "buckets" and more runners to carry less water each trip, While Amd uses Larger buckets but with fewer 'runners'.

So while Intel is achieving More MHz and better Multitasking Amd is just simply a stronger competitor. Or so was my reasoning when I built my last PC. But alas this machine is out of date.

Amd is Claiming:

TRUE Multi-Core processing
AMD Phenom™ processors feature an exceptional next-generation architecture
designed to provide advanced multitasking performance for today’s more demanding PC users.

Lets break it down: and decide why consumers are choosing Intel over Amd, at such large numbers at this time.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...Max-9,836.html

Clearly Amd is Behind In the market, there is no competition for Intel's core 2 Extreme or the i7
Amds 9950 achieved 47 seconds In a 3D Studio Max benchmark (one of AMD's Best Processors)
Intels Core 2 quad 9650 achieved 36 seconds http://www.pricewatch.com/cpu/
AT a $400 drop in price is it worth it to go for the unpopular Amd Phenom, over a similarly priced Intel Processor?
$ 159.00 - phenom 9950
$ 565.99 - core 2 quad q9650
The Core 2 Duo, released in 2007 with the proper cooling overclocked can reach 3.2GHz

The Intel Core 2 Duo E8190 was clocked at 72 seconds
The Intel Core 2 Duo E4700 was clocked at 80 seconds
The Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 @ $119 dollars will be somewhere around 74 seconds without overclocking.

An over clocked Amd Phenom 4x 9950 for $160 will reach 3.0 GHz Below is listed a NON stock Cooling option.
An over clocked Intel e7300 DualCore @ $119 at least 3.2 GHz http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=60335
Since I have a budget, and don't plan on playing Crisis, or running CAD I wont need anything that is in the more expensive category.

The Intel BUILD TOTAL:$478__________________________________________________
Intel 460GB 3.2+ GHz 2x 8GB DDR2 RAM 9800Gt 512 Video
MSI P45 Platinum - $95 - free ground
GeForce 9800 GT - $120 - free ground
Intel Core 2 Duo e7300 2.66GHz - $112 - free ground
Super Talent DDR2-800 8GB Kit - $69 - free ground
Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro 2x - $21 - shipping included
Neo Power 430 430W ATX12V - $61 - free shipping
Midtower ATX ~
HP_CD DVD RW ~
Nec_CD DVD RW ~
Seagate 300GB Sata (xp pro x64) ~
160GB ATA (my current HD w/ xp home x86 sp3) ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TOTAL:$478


The AMD BUILD TOTAL:$560__________________________________________________
AMD 460GB 3.0+GHz 4x 8GB DDR2 RAM 9800Gt 512 Video +$90 for +2x
Biostar TA790GX AMD 790GX DDR2 - $92 - free ground
Amd Phenom 9950 - $160 - free 3 day
GeForce 9800 GT - $120 - free ground
Super Talent DDR2-800 8GB Kit - $69 - free ground
ASUS FAN-TR-T85 TRITON 85 - $66 - with shipping
Neo Power 430 430W ATX12V - $66 - free shipping
Midtower ATX ~
HP_CD DVD RW ~
Nec_CD DVD RW 40x ~
seagate 300GB Sata (xp pro x64) ~
160GB ATA current HD (xp home x86 sp3) ~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~TOTAL:$560
This build would be much better especially if over clocked. to 3.0GH @ 4x cores
AMD 460GB 3.0+GHz 4x 8GB DDR2 RAM 9800Gt 512 Video +$90 for +2x

[InfernoReaper]

If the market wants $1000 CPUs from Intel, they can have them. I'm sticking with AMD until they get back on their feet.

If you look at it like a math problem:
Intel: 3.2GHz x 2 cores = 6.4GHz
AMD: 3.0GHz x 4 cores = 12.0GHz

I don't like Biostar for AMD motherboards. I also wonder why you're going to use an Nvidia card on an AMD chipset board.
Solve both by getting a decent AMD board with Nvidia chipset, like Gigabyte or Asus (If you don't want to get an AMD video card instead).

Get a 500W PSU just to be safe.

Besides that, it's your choice. I'd go with the AMD build for performance reasons alone. Plus you'd be helping out a struggling company.

[ourselfish]

dual video cards?
or one good one?

Gigabyte GA-MA790GP-DS4H Socket AM2+ AMD 790GX Chipset DDR2-1066 PCIe Motherboard

[InfernoReaper]

Single card if you're using a power supply smaller than 600W.

That kit should work fine as long as you use a 64-bit operating system. You should see all 8GBs.

[ourselfish]

Intel Core 2 Quad 2.33 GHz Processor $167 - 9.32 MHz (Intel) unclocked
I'd like to have a go round with Intel this time.
Still would like to only spend about 500.

MSI P45 Platinum - $95 - free ground
GeForce 9800 GT - $120 - free ground
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.33 GHz Processor - $177 OEM shipping included
Super Talent DDR2-800 8GB Kit - $69 - free ground
Arctic Cooling Freezer ACFZP7 PWM - $21 - shipping included
Neo Power 500 500W ATX12V - $71 - free shipping
Midtower ATX ~
HP_CD DVD RW ~
Nec_CD DVD RW ~
HP 22" Wide HDMI ~
Seagate 300GB Sata (xp pro x64) ~
160GB ATA (my current HD w/ xp home x86 sp3) ~ $560

http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...platinum/8.htm

Does this build have Dual monitor support? can i use the onboard? and the GT?

[InfernoReaper]

It supports 2, but only use one with a power supply under 600W.