[chrisjohn]

Hi
My old computer just died so I have bought a new HP Pavilion p6203uk Desktop PC
Base processor
Pentium E5300 (W) 2.6 GHz (65W)
800 MHz front side bus
Socket 775
Chipset
Intel G41 Express
Motherboard
Manufacturer: Pegatron
Motherboard Name: IPMEL-AE
HP/Compaq motherboard name: Evans-GL6
Power supply
300W
Memory

Component

Attributes

Memory Installed
4 GB
Maximum allowed
4 GB* (2 x 2 GB)

*Actual available memory may be less
Speed supported
PC3-6400 MB/sec
Type
240 pin, DDR3 SDRAM

Hard drive
320 GB SATA 3G (3.0 Gb/sec)
7200 rpm
SuperMulti DVD Burner with LightScribe Technology drive
Interface: SATA
Data buffer memory: 2 MB minimum
LightScribe: yes
Disc diameter: 120 mm

Bay type

Quantity

5.25"
Two (One available)
3.5"
Two (One available)
Pocket Media Drive
One (One available)

　
I would like to transfer the data from the old hard drive HDD Seagate TONKA Parallel ATA
ST3200826A 6948810000 200 GB or add it as an extra drive any help would be much appreciated
Best
Chrisjohn

[raybro]

You need a PATA (IDE) to SATA adapter. Take a look here. Then you can install the PATA drive as primary slave and drag and drop files. You could also format the drive and use it as a secondary HDD.

Raybro

[chrisjohn]

Hi raybro
Thank you for your quick response I looked up the web page you suggested
I know little about computers so am reluctant to but not incapable of adding to the motherboard I was looking on the web and found this,

Features of the USB to IDE and SATA Cable Kit
USB2.0 interface, plug and play
Supports 2.5"/3.5" IDE, ATA, PATA and Serial ATA Hard Disk
Supports 480Mbps High Speed(HS) and 12Mbps Full Speed
Compatible with any 2.5", 3.5", 5.25" IDE or SATA device!
Supports IDE & Enhanced IDE 3.5" internal IDE Hard Disk
Supports ATA/ATAPI-6 Specification 1.0
Supports SATA I and SATA II
External power supply makes it run more stably and reliably
Red/Green LED indicators
Supports Win98SE/ME/2000/XP/VISTA and Mac OS
If you could possibly let me know if you think this system would work with my HP Pavilion p6203uk at about £20.00 it seems to be the way to go
All the best
chrisjohn

[raybro]

Just going by the description you provided, its looks as though the device will do the job. If you prefer a more detailed evaluation, perhaps you could provide a link to a web site with details of the device.

This may be unnecessary since what you have described appears to be a universal enclosure type device with an external power source and they generally work quite well.

Raybro

[chrisjohn]

Hi Raybro
Thanks again for your swift response the web site is
USB to IDE & SATA Cable Kit USBNow.co.uk
I am afraid I do not know how to create a internet link
So if you have a chance to look please let me know what you think
Best
Chrisjohn

[raybro]

Better yet, I'll tell you how to create a link. Its quite simple.

First, go to the web site which shows the hardware.

Using the mouse, move the cursor (arrow) to the address bar at the top of the browser.

Left-click one time. This will highlight the web address in the address bar. The entire address should appear a blue shade.

Now hold down the "Ctrl" key and tap the "C" key. This will copy the address.

Now go to TSG and open this thread. Click the reply button.

In the reply window, click the mouse so you have a blinking cursor as when you start typing a reply. Now hold down the "Ctrl" key and tap the "V" key. This will paste the address into that reply. If you type anything into the reply, there must be a space between any text and the beginning or end of the address. That's now a "link". All I have to do is click it and my browser will open a window and go to the same address as you copied.

Give it a try... Raybro

EDIT... Its getting onto my bedtime here in sunny Southern California, so I'll check back tomorrow morning.

[chrisjohn]

Hi Raybro
Thank you once again for your help I have followed the instructions and hey presto
http://www.usbnow.co.uk/Adapters_&_Connectors-USB_to_IDE_Adapters/c42_46/p52/USB_2.0_IDE_&_SATA_Cable_(with_Power_Supply)/product_info.html
So when you have a moment could you please let me know if the product is suitable.
Best,
Chrisjohn

[raybro]

Now you know how to create a link. That works in most any kind of document, including e-mails.

Regarding the hardware... I went to the site and I can see only one downside to the setup. The hard drive is basically unprotected during use. If you intend to leave it connected to your new machine and use it as a backup or data storage or whatever, it would be best if the drive were inside an enclosure where it would have some degree of protected from any kind of damage from handling, spilled liquids, earthquake (I live in earthquake country), etc.

Here is a link to the type of device I recommend. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...393&CatId=1204 Just click the link and your browser should take you there. If that does not work, highlight the link and copy it. Then paste it into the address bar on your browser and hit "Enter". Use the same copy/paste process you used before.

I know zero regarding your accessibility to Tiger Direct in the UK, so if the device I found is not practical from a cost or logistics standpoint, use the information to find something similar in the UK. One aspect not mentioned on the site is the device should be externally powered. Although this one is externally powered, its not readily apparent on the site. If you click on the image on the left side of the page, you will get a popup window with multiple images, one of which shows an AC Adapter and another the back of the unit showing a power connection. This is essential since a unit without external power must draw its power from the USB 5V buss and that can have undesirable affects on the USB interface.

There is another consideration regarding power. I've never been to the UK, but I'm aware the commercial power there is different from that in the USA. So that is something which must be considered.

Having said all that, the setup you provided the link to will do what you want. It all depends upon future use and your individual comfort level with having the hard drive exposed to the outside world.

Good luck... Raybro

[chrisjohn]

Hi Raybro
Once again thank you for your swift and helpful reply, I looked at the website you recommended and like the idea of the drive enclosure I went back to the other site and found a similar product here in old blighty so there should be no power problem. I would be very grateful if you have a moment to check the specs for me, I am still confused by the ata ide sata any advice much appreciated.
http://www.usbnow.co.uk/Hard_Drive_Enclosures-3.5%22_Hard_Drive_Cases/c10_25/p1825/Pluscom_3.5%22_IDE_USB_2.0_Enclosure_-_Black/product_info.html
Best
Chrisjohn

[raybro]

That looks like it will do the job for you. It is externally powered and has a USB 2.0 interface. You should be able to install the hard drive from your old computer in the enclosure, connect the USB cable and power adapter. Boot your new computer, then plug in the other end of the USB cable to a port on the new computer, then turn the power switch for the external enclosure on. Your computer will likely indicate new hardware recognized and a new icon will appear in the system tray (systray) in the lower right side of your display. That indicates the presence of a USB mass storage device. Then you will be able to open Windows explorer, expand the content of the drive and simply drag and drop whatever files you wish to move to your new computers hard drive. Be sure to read the instructions which will probably come with the unit in case there is anything that varies from the process I've described.

When you want to shut off the external drive without turning off your computer, move the mouse cursor over the icon in the systray and a small box will appear saying "safely remove USB Mass storage device" followed by a drive letter. Left click inside that box and after a few seconds, the icon should disappear. If it does not, move the mouse back over the icon and that should make it go away. Now you can turn off the power switch on the enclosure.

If you are going to shut down everything, do a normal shutdown of your computer and when it is off, turn off the external drive power switch.

The reason for these procedures is to make sure whatever has been changed during the time the device was connected is saved.

Regarding those acronyms... IDE is an old term used when PC's were first coming out to identify the internal hard drive. It means Integrated Drive Electronics. As time went by and variations developed, the term ATA came into vogue to designate what had previously been referred to as IDE. Further development of hard drive technology came up with SATA (Serial ATA), so the term ATA was changed to PATA (Parallel ATA) to differentiate between parallel and serial ATA drives. The primary difference in the physical configuration of the two is the electrical interface. PATA uses flat ribbon cables and SATA uses round shielded cables.

SATA is the technology currently at the top of the heap. Your new computer has a SATA hard drive. Its all a bit confusing and not really necessary to fully understand. Just be content with the knowledge your old drive is a PATA and the drive in your new computer is a SATA. This in no way inhibits the two drives from working together as long as the interface provides compatibility. The USB buss provides that interface.

If you would like to read a bit about it, click here and/or here for some literature on it.

BTW...the foregoing is another way of inserting a link into a post here on TSG. As far as I know, this is the only forum with that kind of option.

Good luck with your endeavor and enjoy your new computer. Let me know how everything works out... Raybro

[chrisjohn]

Hi Raybo
Well I bought the Hard Drive Enclosure fitted the hard drive and hey presto I have a new hard drive it only arrived today so I have not had the time to workout how everything works, that will have to take a back seat I am still trying to get used to windows 7 which at the moment I am detesting as much as vista and that is a whole lot of detesting.
Anyway just writing to thank you for all your invaluable help no doubt you will hear from me soon enough for the required burning temperature to vaporise windows 7
Best
chrisjohn

[raybro]

Originally Posted by chrisjohn

Hi Raybo
Well I bought the Hard Drive Enclosure fitted the hard drive and hey presto I have a new hard drive it only arrived today so I have not had the time to workout how everything works, that will have to take a back seat I am still trying to get used to windows 7 which at the moment I am detesting as much as vista and that is a whole lot of detesting.
Anyway just writing to thank you for all your invaluable help no doubt you will hear from me soon enough for the required burning temperature to vaporise windows 7
Best
chrisjohn

Well, best of luck. I'd appreciate it if you would let me know how Win 7 works out for you. I've read some posts that say its a big improvement over Vista, but I'm not convinced as yet.

I'm looking into building a new machine for an A+ Certification class I'm considering at one of the local colleges and I still haven't made up my mind about the OS. My favorite OS is XP Pro, but I'll be forced to learn about Vista and Win 7 as part of the class. So it makes sense for me to take the plunge with my new system. Of course, I can always dual boot (which is probably what I'll end up doing).

Raybro

[chrisjohn]

Hi raybo
Thought I would let you know the disk enclosure works very well, I am still trying to work out if I can copy xp to the new machine this tells all about win 7. For me in the end there appears to be little choice but to make the best of a bad choice. I have the 64bit version and it feels like Microsoft have stuffed XP Vista and 7 all in a tight very large and untidy sack (free space on computer 284gb of 320gb this includes hp add-ons ) and whilst I would not like to say they conflict I would not like to live next door to them or indeed in the same city, when it comes to the security and permissions in files and folders I feel the way a blind person may feel feeding alligators by hand not confident, still if you like pretty well its ok but I prefer a plain screen.
Anyway I will keep persevering hoping that in the race to understand win 7 I arrive before win7 service pack 1 2 ect and win 8
Best always
Chrisjohn

[chrisjohn]

Hi rabro
I hope you get to read this thank you for your reply it does not show on the normal thread I found it in private messages so I will reply same way I will also post this on thread hoping it reaches you one way or another.
I am still diligently thrashing myself with win 7 water water everywhere nor any drop to drink,
when I have a question that I can accurately form I will post to you but at the moment each question just asks another if you have Bill Gates home address I have a large pile of mature manure I would like to send to him to fill the gap win 7 must have left in his empire (I do know he is no longer the leading light in Microsoft but hell it is his fault anyway)
Constructive
have you started the A+ Certification class build I do not fully understand what this encompasses but if it is a start from scratch I think you must use the best win7 64 bit as I am sure that Microsoft will be speeding up there difficult to none compatibility policy clothed in the we want to help everybody just not you .
All the best
Chrisjohn

[chrisjohn]

Hi raybro
I am still plodding away trying to understand the whys and wherefores of my hp windows 7 package but I have one specific problem you may be able to advise/explain to me the computer came with 320gb hard drive with only 284 left free there is a factory image partition of 13.5gb shown separately the rest I have no idea where it has gone. Anyway I have loaded most of the compatible and wanted programs from the old disk which in total should have used no more than 26gb there is 9gb of system restore so a theoretical 35 say36gb of used disk space but according to my system properties I only have 229gb free which means I have lost another 19gb which at my age seems an awful lot any thoughts about this problem would be much appreciated
Best
chrisjohn