[CraftyCathy]

Tom... Ok.. So should I delete the folder I have on Desktop and do it the way you have above?

Where you saying there is suppose to be all those files in that folder? When I unzipped it or what ever its called or what ever I did on Linux, all it put was 2 other files. Then the installer or what ever it is, didn't do a thing when I tried to make it install. If I knew more what I was doing, it would sure help me tell you this stuff.

Cathy

[CraftyCathy]

Bartender... Thanks a bunch for posting... Yal I know modems are slow... some times even slower then other times and I don't know if its just me, but they seem to be getting slower. I have downloaded many things for Windows and it don't take near as long to do as it seems for Linux. All though I have not downloaded much for Linux as yet... but I have read many posts where people say it takes a mega long time.

As long as we live here, I don't expect to get DSL or anything faster then modem. I don't know any one that has anything faster then modem, for sure. My son is trying to get some one he knows to help me. But so far no help. At the least we were thinking he could download, put on CD's then I would have them on CD's... hehehe.. Then back to the problem of.. still don't know how to make them work from a CD...

I now see that upper case and lower case are two different commands. I did not realize this at first. Where as Tom pointed out to type Desktop instead of desktop. Well Desktop works and desktop don't. Then I seen more commands that showed one being capital carried out one process and the same letter in lower case carried out another. Its just SO... difficult to print all this out then go to Linux and type it all in. Had to see if there is actually a space and I see I make lots of types.. My brain says one thing and my fingers decide to do another.. hehehe. If only I could copy and paste... Oh... this has got to be one of the most wonderful things to be able to copy/paste... I have come to rely on it...

Yes, I go through the posts all the time. Most are so far above me, I do not understand anything what they are talking about. So I just back out and look for another one of interest. Plus the massive amount of other site pages I have read, some over and over. It would see I would know and be able to do more then I can by all I have read. My comprehension level is just on a pretty high minus!

I tried the su command password all sorts of ways. It just did not work. Before and since I have had to put in my password and it works... Just don't get it...

Why do we have to have this username and password anyway??!! I don't like it. I have never had one on Win... Just don't have the use for it and now its a problem in Linux. Oh well... have to do what has to be done...

I am not sure I am getting a sportster. But that could be what it is and I just don't know... My first modem was an external one. I won it from the phone company. It was a 28.8. Worked just great. So I won't have any problems that I can see having another external modem. I just thought it was neater to have every thing all inside the computer box, that would go in there. But.. since I am learning about win modems, seems more like a cheap thing then something that is real. But hay it works for Windows.. So can't be that bad if it works for one system and does what I need to get done.

The book by Keir Thomas, does it give easy step by step instructions as to how to do things? Is it for Dapper Drake or just for Ubuntu in general? I have read about other versions of Ubuntu and they seem to work different then Dapper Drake in area's. This might be difficult for beginners that don't know what will work and what will not then try to make it work and not.. etc...

Yes, I have several bookmarks so I can go back to a page. Several I forgot to mark, then have to try to find. Its just so overwhelming. I find something easy on one site, but then when I try to find other things I want to learn, its not there. Then more and more searching, if I even find what I am looking for. So far I have found good instructions on how to install Dapper Drake.. But that is it... There could be more easy instructions on other things that I have not got to yet. But the things I am looking for, I can not find.

Yes, when reading I have seen the word automatix. But do not know what it was. Guess I need to run a search on the word and see what I can find.

Once again, thank you for your post..... Cathy

[CraftyCathy]

I have a question... I am a but confused... I know how to do stuff on Windows, but don't necessarily know what its called, don't pay attention to the name. Just like we know how to get some where in town, but don't necessarily pay attention to the street names as to how to get there...

I have a certain way I want to do things on my computer. On Windows ME I have two places I put things. In My Documents I put mainly graphics. Such as pictures, animation, census, etc... But now on C: I have a file called My Folder where I put mainly Text... Don't ask me why I started doing it this way, I don't really know at this point.

I like things separated, organized and placed where I can find it.

Doing lots of reading tonight.. I read that "Directories" on Linux is Folders. Areas on your hard drive where files can be stored.

Is this what I am doing on Windows? If so... How do I set up like for example on Linux, My Documents and My Files? Do I just make two different directories?

Then when I set up these directories named this, can I put folders or is it directories with in each directory?

Am I just converting words here? Going from words file folders to directories?

What I don't want is like a zillion folders scattered all over. Or maybe in Linux, directories.

Also I don't want the desktop to be filled up with files or folders. It gets too confusing and cluttered. .... Cathy

[lotuseclat79]

Originally Posted by CraftyCathy

Tom... Ok.. So should I delete the folder I have on Desktop and do it the way you have above?

Where you saying there is suppose to be all those files in that folder? When I unzipped it or what ever its called or what ever I did on Linux, all it put was 2 other files. Then the installer or what ever it is, didn't do a thing when I tried to make it install. If I knew more what I was doing, it would sure help me tell you this stuff.

Cathy

Hi Cathy,

You must choose whichever way helps you organize it better, i.e. works for you. When you unwrap the scanModem.gz file with the gunzip command in the directory of your choosing, then scanModem is installed except for making it executable.

Recall the commands:
# gunzip scanModem.gz <-- this command unwraps the download file created with gzip
# chmod +x scanModem <-- this command makes scanModem executable
# ./scanModem <-- this command executes scanModem in current directory

The Modem subdirectory is created when the scanModem (i.e. after the "chmod +x scanModem" command to make it executable) command is executed. As a result of executing scanModem, those files are deposited into the newly created Modem subdirectory.

-- Tom

[lotuseclat79]

Hi Cathy,

Here is a tip about organizing stuff that you download. I do the same for Windows.

Create a Download directory that contains everything you download.

In Windows I use C:\Downloads for this purpose, and install the software from there that gets a folder in C:\Program Files. Of course, to organize the software, I create a new subfolder under C:\Downloads for each separate software/topic I download.

In Linux, you can keep the clutter off of your Desktop directory by creating a sibling directory named Downloads which sits in your /home/craftycathy directory and follow the same plan as for Windows except there will not be another folder/directory similar to C:\Program Files.

Remember: In both Linux and Windows, directories/folders are your friend - they keep things separated so they do not get confusing. The trick is to remember where you left something so you can find it later! :wink:

-- Tom

[lotuseclat79]

Hi Cathy,

Here is some information on editing .txt or text files in Linux.

The command: vi new.txt
will create a file named new with the suffix .txt

The command: view new.txt
will open the file named new.txt in read-only mode (there are ways around read-only mode, however, the read-only mode protects you from your fingers going wild with edits you don't want.

Once you have started an editing session with either of the above commands, I have attached a text file named Vim-Commands.txt which is a cheat sheet for Vim (Vi IMproved).

-- Tom

P.S. Note: when you are located on a web page you want to save to your desktop folder, i.e. /home/craftycathy/Desktop, you can either use the web browser File pull-down menu to save the webpage, or use the cursor to grab the text on the webpage, copy it with the Edit pull-down menu of the web browser, and open up a newtopic.txt file with vi using newtopic.txt, and using the command internal to the vi edit session for the newtopic.txt file, <press the i key, for insertion of text>, and then using the Edit pull-down Paste, drop the copied text into the newtopic.txt file, then press the Esc key to exit the editing part of your session, and then exit the vi command by pressing the ':' key followed by "wq" as in ":wq" (without the quotes).

[CraftyCathy]

Spent some time on Linux last night. I was in Terminal trying to make these directory things... Didn't seem like I did what I wanted to. Then later on I was on Desktop looking at the things in the icons on the top toll bar... WOW... came upon this one that showed me all the directories I had made.. Well, making mistakes and having a bunch of them, I deleted all I didn't want. But there is a place on Desktop you can go to make directors, see which ones you have.. etc.. just like or sort of like in Windows. Now I can see how I can organize!

Don't think I said.. went on line yesterday after reading these posts, went to searching for the book suggested I read... Can you believe I found it in e-book. Well I was thinking I would have to download to windows, burn it on CD then some how install it on Linux. Which being on Linux would be the better place for it then you can try thing that is talked about in the book. Well... I just opened it in Windows... Its over 600 pages and tells lots I need to know. I just knew things had to be easy on Linux, just knowing how to do them... This is such a break through. All I have read and you have told me is now beginning to "click"...

Still I can not get a problem I have on CD to work on Linux. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have it burnt on a CD, in the unit and the CD Unit is recognized on Linux. But nothing works that I have done to use it.

I put the book on CD to put on Linux. But Linux don't recognize or support the file extension. Here is the name on it..

Apress.Beginning.Ubuntu.Linux.From.Novice.to.Professional.Mar.2006200608151 74740.rar

To get it unzipped on Windows I had to download a rar unzipper. Well I know how to do this on Windows. Well DUH... what am I saying here... I know how to do it on Windows to make things like this work, but not on Linux. I seen a Linux rar unzipper, but didn't download it onto win to burn. Cause of not knowing how to install these things onto Linux. But its just got to be simple...

One thing when I was unzipping this in Windows, the name was too long and so had to shorten it, as the installation process was going on. I was thinking of renaming it, if it will let me, to make it shorter for Linux.

I am just kind of treading water here, trying to learn other things while waiting on the modem to get here. Then will tackle trying to install all of that and make it work so I can get e-mail and go on line...

Ok.. yes... in the book there was something I wanted to ask you about, cause it just went sailing over my head!!! hehehe.. Thomas was talking about how to config e-mail, using the program Evolution. He said you will need the pop3, SMPT, phone # to connect with, username and password... Then he said you will need "Microsoft exchange OWA URL" and "Active Directory/Global Address List Server". Seems like he was saying to be able to send and receive Outlook express mail programs. Let me see what he says exactly..

"Evolution is able to work with both IMPA and the popular POP3 mail servers offered by ISPs and used within corporate environments. Additionally, it can work with the Microsoft Exchange protocol used by offices running the Outlook mail program and also Novell Group-Wise.

Then on down a way... "In the case of Microsoft Exchange, you'll need to know the OWL URL and, optionally, the Active Directory/Global Address list server. With Novell GroupWare, you'll simply need t know the server name".

After reading this again, is this just for some office set up and don't apply to us normal folks?

After reading about different programs, I wanted "Thunderbird" e-mail. But its not on Ubuntu 6.06 apparently. When I get on line, will I be able to download Thunderbird or will it be lots of hassle to do so and set it up? I guess I just happen to like the name "Thunderbird" better then "Evolution"... But I guess its not big deal that I have Thunderbird instead...

Last night I tried to do the procedure you wrote for scanModem. I must have done something wrong, cause I just kept getting command prompts and it did nothing. Nothing that I seen, anyway...

Ok.. let me ask.. when doing this, should I have the CD in the drive to do this? The one with scanModem on it? I don't think I am going to run scanModem now, but I still need to know how to make programs work that I want to install on Linux.

Is this procedure suppose to work for any program you have on CD that you want to make work on Linux? By just putting in the file name. Like where you have scanModem, I would just put in the name of the file that I have on the CD?

Cathy

[lotuseclat79]

Hi Cathy,

For scanModem, are you telling me you downloaded it in Windows, and burned it to a CD? If that is so, you should just be able to:
# pushd /media/cdrom (or whatever the mount point is for the CD device in Ubuntu)
# cp -p scanModem.gz /home/craftycathy/Desktop/ScanModem (for example only)
# popd
# cd /craftycathy/Desktop/ScanModem
# gunzip scanModem.gz
# chmod +x scanModem
# ./scanModem

That should be all you need to do to install, and execute scanModem which should create the Modem subdirectory with all of the output files mentioned in previous post.

I use the mkisofs and cdrecord commands in Linux to copy files onto an ISO filesystem CD that can be read by Windows (XP at least, don't know about ME). Ask me how to do it when you think you are ready.

-- Tom

[Bartender]

Originally Posted by CraftyCathy

I was in Terminal trying to make these directory things... Didn't seem like I did what I wanted to. Then later on I was on Desktop looking at the things in the icons on the top toll bar... WOW... came upon this one that showed me all the directories I had made.. Well, making mistakes and having a bunch of them, I deleted all I didn't want. But there is a place on Desktop you can go to make directors, see which ones you have.. etc.. just like or sort of like in Windows. Now I can see how I can organize!

Cathy, I'm not sure what you're asking. You might want to ask one thing at a time and see who replies...
For using the terminal, I found the simplest thing to do is put a launcher (same thing as a Windows shortcut) on the desktop. Mouse to "Applications">"Accessories"> then right click on the Terminal icon, then left-click on "Add this launcher to the desktop".

Originally Posted by CraftyCathy

I put the book on CD to put on Linux. But Linux don't recognize or support the file extension. Here is the name on it..

Apress.Beginning.Ubuntu.Linux.From.Novice.to.Professional.Mar.2006200608151 74740.rar

To get it unzipped on Windows I had to download a rar unzipper. Well I know how to do this on Windows. Well DUH... what am I saying here... I know how to do it on Windows to make things like this work, but not on Linux. I seen a Linux rar unzipper, but didn't download it onto win to burn. Cause of not knowing how to install these things onto Linux. But its just got to be simple...

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.p...highlight=.rar

There are hundreds of posts regarding .rar files on Ubuntu Forums. Above is one of them. It looks to me like you need to go to Synaptic Update Manager and ask it to download/install unrar. If you can't get online in Ubuntu yet, you may have to wait. When downloading programs into Ubuntu, you can't just copy the program to a thumb drive then install, like you would in Windows. You have to let the Ubuntu installer handle it because there may be dependencies that also need to be installed. Dependencies are little auxiliary bits of data that Ubuntu sometimes needs to make a program work.

Originally Posted by CraftyCathy

Ok.. yes... in the book there was something I wanted to ask you about, cause it just went sailing over my head!!! hehehe.. Thomas was talking about how to config e-mail, using the program Evolution. He said you will need the pop3, SMPT, phone # to connect with, username and password... Then he said you will need "Microsoft exchange OWA URL" and "Active Directory/Global Address List Server". Seems like he was saying to be able to send and receive Outlook express mail programs. Let me see what he says exactly..

"Evolution is able to work with both IMPA and the popular POP3 mail servers offered by ISPs and used within corporate environments. Additionally, it can work with the Microsoft Exchange protocol used by offices running the Outlook mail program and also Novell Group-Wise.

Then on down a way... "In the case of Microsoft Exchange, you'll need to know the OWL URL and, optionally, the Active Directory/Global Address list server. With Novell GroupWare, you'll simply need t know the server name".

After reading this again, is this just for some office set up and don't apply to us normal folks?

I don't understand a lot of this POP3 stuff either, but I'm pretty sure you can ignore the Microsoft Exchange thing. I'm not sure how to set up Evolution since I haven't used it.

Originally Posted by CraftyCathy

After reading about different programs, I wanted "Thunderbird" e-mail. But its not on Ubuntu 6.06 apparently. When I get on line, will I be able to download Thunderbird or will it be lots of hassle to do so and set it up? I guess I just happen to like the name "Thunderbird" better then "Evolution"... But I guess its not big deal that I have Thunderbird instead...

I think Thunderbird is another program you'll need to download/install from Synaptic. Have you ever seen Synaptic at work? I still get a kick out of watching it do its thing. Once you ask it to get a program or programs, it does the whole operation for you.

I looked over your previous posts. If you want to see your home folder, I've got 2 suggestions. I'm sure there are others but these are easy...
Go to Places>Home Folder. There it is. Right-click on File>Create new folder to make new folders for organizing. As you can see, your home folder could get unwieldy very quickly unless you make folders.
Go to Places>Computer>File System>scroll down to "home" - click on the little arrow next to the word to expand "home". You'll see your home folder, identified by your user name. The arrow spins 90 degrees, showing you that the folder is expanded.
I think that's how it works!! I'm writing from a Windows PC so can't double-check.

[Bartender]

Here's the link to get you started finding out about Automatix

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80295

As I mentioned earlier, don't try it unless you've got a broadband connection! Once you download the Automatix program, then ask it to run, your PC will be busy for at least an hour on a broadband connection. The whole time isn't spent downloading because Ubuntu will be installing as well, but there's still a whole lot of data transfer goin' on.

[Bartender]

CC -
I was under the impression that you had dial-up. Yet you downloaded the entire Keir Thomas book?!?
As you've probly figured out by now, Thomas' book was written with Breezy in mind. It hit the bookstands just about when Dapper was released. So some of the info, such as Installation, is now dated. I figure that 90% of the book is still applicable, and most of the rest is close enuf to figure out what changed. As far as I know, it's the only book written for Ubuntu rather than Linux in general.

[lotuseclat79]

Thunderbird is the email software from http://www.mozilla.com (where you get Firefox webbrowser). See: http://www.mozilla.com/thunderbird/

-- Tom

[CraftyCathy]

Hi... Well now I know how to make a directory either by going to terminal or another way and I can't tell you how I go, but you two probably know. Boxes come up, I see the directories, I can delete or make more in there. Its kind of like being on C: in Win.

I am just kind of treading water till I get the modem. I keep going back to Linux trying to do things Tom has said. But still its not working. So I am doing something wrong or programs just don't work like windows at all.

I do have dial up. The book is 608 pages. Took about 2 hrs or so to download it. I just watched some TV. If I need to download stuff like this, I just do it at night when I am going to bed. By morning when I get it, its done.

Yes I know Thomas book was written mainly on Breezy. But it seemed to me its pretty close to Dapper Drake also. I set up the modem last night, he missed one step. Which was no biggie. But I figured this might be the difference in Breezy and Dapper Drake. Ok, I said I set up the modem... Not sure the correct terms is for this. But I am all ready for the Modem to get here, plug it in and click to go on line... Keeping my fingers crossed that its all set up right and will go that smooth...

If I can get on line, I think I have Dapper Drake whipped.. But then, never know whats going to come up when I go to do other things. Its just learning the program, which can be really overwhelming.

I have just got use to using certain prgrams to do different things. I am afraid they won't work on Linux. I will miss using them.

I already went into the word processor in Linux and that border, I don't like. When you go to write that inner border is there. Maybe it has to do with the page setting on it. Will have to mess around with the program to see if I can at least get it less on the page.

Tom......

I am going to copy your instructions off.. Go to Linux, delete what I have in directories for scanModem, then follow your instructions to see what happens. I guess I should write the error messages down so you can see what is going on. I think what it has told me so far is... This is not a directory or this file or directory is not there. I see this a lot when doing this stuff. So will let you know.. Cathy

[CraftyCathy]

For scanModem, are you telling me you downloaded it in Windows, and burned it to a CD? If that is so, you should just be able to:
# pushd /media/cdrom (or whatever the mount point is for the CD device in Ubuntu)

Tom, you said something that I do not know what your talking about... " Mount Point". Can you explain what this is. Cathy

[CraftyCathy]

Tom, Can I do this formula for getting other things to work also, like Thomas book??

# pushd /media/cdrom (or whatever the mount point is for the CD device in Ubuntu)
# cp -p scanModem.gz /home/craftycathy/Desktop/ScanModem (for example only)
# popd
# cd /craftycathy/Desktop/ScanModem
# gunzip scanModem.gz
# chmod +x scanModem
# ./scanModem