ending up using this...
http://www.any-video-converter.com/p...or_video_free/
No file size limiter, but I can do the math using this
http://www.citizeninsomniac.com/WMV/WMVBitCalc.html
The quality of the h.264 is outstanding with this program...
1st Screen H.264 @ 5840kpbs using windows movie maker live WMV
2nd Screen H.264 @ 3000kpbs any video converter x264
WHAT A DIFFERENCE! MICROSOFT Stinks!