[axeman61]

Sorry I'm so late replying to this. I had so much stuff to do.

Anyway, I tried what you said, JohnWill, but am stuck as to how I handle my Internet connection (you know, one of those connections you'd set up in the XP networking wizard) and PS3 from here. I'm logged onto the internet right now from one of those wizard connections. Nothing's wrong, but I figure I'd better get a static IP and have everything synced up with my Playstation 3 to work right. I haven't configured it for this change yet. How would I deal with forwarding ports and such? I don't know what to do. Any help is much appreciated.

BTW, if this approach creates headaches and doesn't solve anything, should I try making the connection bridged instead of NAT in the router settings (after setting everything back to the way it was)? I think I saw something like that.

Edit: I couldn't connect my PS3 to the internet with the "no cords in WAN router port" setup, so I put the cords back where they were. Since I had already tried to configure my PS3's IP and DNS information with 192.168.10.99 (my router is "10.[last number] instead of 0) default router address, things went back the way they were. So, those settings are still in place in case you have suggestions.

[JohnWill]

If you had followed my instructions for configuring the secondary router, it would have been transparent to the PS3 and you'd get the NAT1 connection. You are simply removing the NAT layer in the secondary router and making it into a wireless switch aka WAP.

[axeman61]

I tinkered with the PS3 last night trying to get it working before changing back. I last had the PS3 set up with its own static IP (192.168.10.100; it was like that before), with the router's new address as the default gateway, and my DNS servers (68.94..) as DNS servers. That was through the Manual setup option. I tried both "Easy"(which is supposed to autoconigure everything) and "PPPoE" within Manual as well.. I know I typed in my information right. Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Could it be my PC? Which of the network connections am I supposed to have be "static?" The basic local area connection is already set up to be static, with all the default gateway, IP address, subnet mask and DNS server info typed in. If I were to get off the router, however, I'd have to connect through one of those connections you'd make through an XP "make new connection" wizard. The one I use right now is dynamic in its information.

Could you tell what I'm doing wrong on either end?

[JohnWill]

A dumb question. When you go to http://www.whatismyip.com/, what does it say your public IP address is?

[axeman61]

76.226.234.18.

Would it be a dumb answer to just give out my IP like that? Should I just PM it to you?

[JohnWill]

OK, I was operating under a false assumption, that's why I asked. Obviously, your modem is bridged to eliminate the NAT layer and you're running PPP. I thought the Ethernet connection that was displayed was your connection.

Are you connected to the modem with a USB connection, or an Ethernet connection?

Your IP address isn't really all that useful to anyone, that's not how hackers get to you. They scan thousands of addresses looking for openings.

[JohnWill]

P.S. my current IP address is 98.114.45.126

I have no worries about posting it, it's useless to anyone.

[axeman61]

Ethernet. A UTP cord. That's what I'm connected with. So, does this mean I should put everything back the way it was before following that guide?

[Kelveeno]

Getting a static IP from your isp will make your internet monthly bill go up by quite a bit, but it's one option that will work if you can configure your router to ip-map that public IP (eg. 76.226.234.18) to your private, static IP, that you assigned to your PS3 (eg. 192.168.10.100). This will make your PS3 NAT 2. I'm not sure why, but it worked for me when i was trouble-shooting this problem myself.

If all you want to do is have your PC and PS3 connected to the internet and you want to host games on your PS3 (which you can't do while at NAT 3), the cheaper way to do it is to replace your router with a relatively cheap SOHO router. It's a one-time cost that will be less than upgrading your internet service in the long run. All the guys here at the office can connect at NAT 2 from home using a wide variety of SOHO routers. I've noticed that these modem/router combo units can be a bit fussy though.

Here's my home setup:
1) modem connected to wall. i believe i have the exact same modem you are using but it overheated and i had to get a new one. Remove the PPPoE authentication info off the modem.

2) Connect router to modem through WAN port. I use a linksys wireless router, like a wrtg54 or something like that. it's like 5 years old but still working. buy something like that. may want to check sony boards and see if they have a list of compatible routers.

3) Connect PC to router through LAN port. login to the router using the default address, usually http://192.168.1.1 or something like that. authenticate using default info or whatever you changed it to. Once you are logged in you need to configure the WAN port with the PPPoE login info provided to you from your ISP (write this down somewhere so you can refer to it in the future). I think this is where the problem is. You need NAT in order to allow multiple machines to connect to the internet. You can try ditching the router and running ICS on the PC but then you need to install a second NIC in the PC. While this is not too expensive or too complicated, it's a lot of work and exposes your PC to the net. Anyways, setup your PC and PS3 to use DHCP assigned from the router and it should work.

I imagine this is your setup and you are getting NAT 3 still. The easiest fix overall is to replace your router with another SOHO router. if you want i can tell you the one im using at home.

The other option is what i had to do at the office. I'm the sys admin for a small QA testing house that tests Wii, 360, and PS3 console games. Testing NAT 2 / NAT 3 functionality is one of our test cases and i had to get this working at the lab. I was constrained by the router. It's a combo modem/router unit that made all the PS3s NAT3, so no one could host games and have others connect. So, I had to switch from a dynamic IP, assigned from AT&T and updated using dyndns.org update service, to a static IP pool. Once i had the pool of addresses I configured the router to map a public ip address (like 76.226.234.18) to a private IP address (like 192.168.10.100).

Good luck.

Kelvin

[axeman61]

I don't have the money for a new router right now. Or getting my ISP to assign a static IP for me (if it costs as much as you say). So, I have to figure something out for the setup I have right now.

JohnWill, let's try something a little different (if you're still on board).I'm adding a picture of the settings under the LAN section of my router. See if anything's wrong. If this approach would be good for other things, let me know.

[JohnWill]

Well, you don't have the DHCP Server enabled, I'd fix that first.

Enable The Gateway acts as DHCP Server to start.

Also, enable DHCP on your computer.

Then I'd like to see another IPCONFIG /ALL from the directly connected machine.

[axeman61]

I'll do that when I get home, but since my modem is a "dumb," GUI-less modem dictated by the XP network connection wizards, does enabling DHCP just mean taking all the static info out of them?
And by "directly connected machine," do you mean from modem to computer?

EDIT: Here's IPCONFIG with DHCP enabled in the Local Area Connection. I can't get it enabled in the XP connection (PPP adapter) I use to connect through the modem. I have "Obtain _ automatically" checked for both options, but it still says DHCP isn't enabled. This IPCONFIG is from the modem to the computer.


Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : [censored]
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-9E-90-C8
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration IP Address. . . : 169.254.216.234
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . :

PPP adapter SBC Yahoo 2:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : WAN (PPP/SLIP) Interface
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-53-45-00-00-00
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 99.155.221.216
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.255
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 99.155.221.216
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 68.94.156.1
68.94.157.1
NetBIOS over Tcpip. . . . . . . . : Disabled

EDIT 2: Now here's IPCONFIG again, through the router this time, with DHCP enabled on the Local Area Connection (The PPP adapter is useless here). Bear in mind my Router's address is still 192.168.10.99 from changes I made before.

ipconfig -all

Windows IP Configuration

Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : [censored]
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Hybrid
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
DNS Suffix Search List. . . . . . : Router

Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : Router
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network Connecti
on
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-11-9E-90-C8
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.99
DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.99
DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.10.99
Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Thursday, November 12, 2009 11:43:43
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Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Friday, November 13, 2009 11:43:43 A
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[JohnWill]

Well, the configuration is a bit screwed up there.

For the PPP account, you have a user name and password, correct? When you connected directly to the modem, you entered that to get the connection?

[axeman61]

Yes.

[JohnWill]

Time to do a full reset on the router and reconfigure. I'd also update the firmware to the latest version before the reset.


The following procedure should get you a connection with any broadband modem that is configured to use DHCP for the router connection, such as cable modems, and many DSL modems. If you require PPPoE configuration for the DSL modem, that will have to be configured to match the ISP requirements.

Note that the wireless encryption and channel selection will have to be done after the basic wired connection is established, the first step is to get wired connections working.

• Reset the router to factory defaults by holding the reset button down for 15 seconds with power on.
• Turn off everything, the modem, router, computer.
• Connect the modem to the router's WAN/Internet port.
• Connect the computer to one of the router's LAN/Network ports.
• Turn on the modem, wait for a steady connect light.
• Turn on the router, wait for two minutes.
• Boot the computer.

When the computer is completely booted, let's see this.

Hold the Windows key and press R, then type CMD (COMMAND for W98/WME) to open a command prompt:

NOTE: For the items below in red surrounded with < >, see comments below for the actual information content, they are value substitutions from the previous command output!

In the command prompt window that opens, type type the following commands one at a time, followed by the Enter key:

IPCONFIG /ALL

PING <computer_IP_address>

PING <default_gateway_address>

PING <dns_servers>

PING 206.190.60.37

PING yahoo.com

Right click in the command window and choose Select All, then hit Enter to copy the contents to the clipboard.
Paste the results in a message here.

<computer_IP_address> - The IP Address of your computer, obtained from the IPCONFIG command above.

<default_gateway_address> - The IP address of the Default Gateway, obtained from the IPCONFIG command above.

<dns_servers> - The IP address of the first (or only) address for DNS Servers, obtained from the IPCONFIG command above.

If you are on a machine with no network connection, use a floppy, USB disk, or a CD-RW disk to transfer a text file with the information to allow pasting it here.