[teengeekgrrl]

awful...

[poochee]

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[poochee]

The three can't get their lies together. One of the security guards was in a cell next to one of the brothers. The brother was so dumb he didn't know the guy was one of the suspected guards and the guard interviewed him. People are starting to cancel their vacation reservations. All it is, is a place where it is legal to drink, do dope, and whatever. Under the Netherlands, so that tells me a story. I wouldn't want my child, male or female, going there for a HS grad party!

[angelize56]

Hi poochee: Too bad Natalee won't see a real grad party at home! Think of her getting straight "A"'s and to end up like we all know she has...so unfair! Her poor Mom...she looks so worn out...I can't imagine being in her position....what a nightmare! And it sickens me knowing in the end these rats are going to make out like she was some drunken slut! I think she was like most 18 year old girls....naive and too trusting!

[angelize56]

I was listening to some news reporter being interviewed via phone last night who says he is on the trail of some people he suspects have Natalee...headed towards Venezuela and some other country...we shall see...probably a wild goose chase. About the three original men in custody...I say keep on pushing them until one of them cracks and tells the truth!! Now they've implicated another man who was arrested...why don't they just name the names of every man on the island while they're at it! Natalee's Mom was on TV last night talking about a brief encounter she had with Joran Van Der Sloot..she said he was arrogant....no surprise to me....he acts like the Kennedy cousin who was found guilty over here!

Aruban judge questioned in missing teen case

Saturday, June 18, 2005; Posted: 11:00 p.m. EDT (03:00 GMT)

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Police questioned Saturday an Aruba judge, whose son is a suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway, a law enforcement source close to the investigation said.

Paul Van Der Sloot is the father of 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, one of the last people to see Holloway alive early May 30.

On Friday Judge Bob Wit ruled that the elder Van Der Sloot could not visit his son in jail, but that the boy's mother may.

No one has been charged in the case.

Defense attorneys for Van Der Sloot and the two other young men in custody -- brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, ages 21 and 18 respectively -- have said their clients maintain they are innocent.

Prosecutors asked a judge Friday to hold the three another eight days for further investigation.

As her daughter's appearance approached three weeks, Beth Holloway Twitty expressed frustration Friday at the pace of the investigation and vowed, "I will find Natalee."

Meanwhile, authorities arrested a DJ for a local cruise ship Friday. A family member identified the man as 26-year-old Steve Croes.

Police Commissioner Jan Van Der Straten said the arrest came after one of the three young men in custody named Croes. Authorities also searched his home.

Croes' uncle, Rufo Solognier, a retired police officer, described him as a quiet divorced father of a 2-year-old son. Solognier said he did not know of any connection between Croes and the three others.

Holloway, an 18-year-old honors student from the affluent Birmingham suburb of Mountain Brook, was in Aruba with about 100 classmates to celebrate their recent graduation when she disappeared.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/18/mi...een/index.html

[hannab]

Not putting blame on the parents or anything...but why let children - which they are if they are still in high school - go off on these trips Especially to foreign countries Can't they just say no? Because you know that this tragedy won't stop the next girl from getting herself in a bad situation...why even put them in harms way?

How sad that the dreams of this girl and her family are lost.

[angelize56]

Hi hannab: I agree....that's too far to go for a class trip!

I can certainly understand the Holloway's frustration!! I'd be upset too if four men were being held in connection with my daughter's disappearance for so long yet no news is being given to the family about exactly why! I realize the police have to have time to investigate...but to keep the family in the dark so long! SOMEONE knows SOMETHING!

Missing Alabama Teen's Family Plans Lawsuit

UPDATED: 7:32 am EDT June 21, 2005

ORANJESTAD, Aruba -- The family of an Alabama teen missing in Aruba since May 30 wants answers.

Natalee Holloway's family is preparing to file a lawsuit demanding that authorities give them the evidence gathered in the three weeks since the 18-year-old vanished.

A court in Aruba is detaining four people. Three of them are believed to have spent time with Holloway on the night she disappeared.

Meanwhile, Holloway's family hopes a Texas firm can help in the search for the missing teenager.

Volunteers from Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team plan to leave for Aruba Tuesday night to carry out a search of the island.

Officials said the contingent will include 17 searchers and three search dogs. They'll bring with them sophisticated sonar units for boats.

Holloway disappeared in the early hours of May 30, the last day of a five-day vacation with 124 students celebrating their high school graduation. She had been on a trip with other high school students and their chaperones.

An Aruban judge ruled Monday that there's enough evidence to continue holding a disc jockey arrested in connection with the disappearance.

Steve Gregory Croes, 26, is a disc jockey on a party boat. He was arrested on Friday.

Croes arrived at his court hearing with his hands cuffed and his white T-shirt covering his face. After the half-hour appearance he was whisked away in a police car.

The court ordered him held for eight days. Under Dutch law, which Aruba follows, authorities can detain people for up to 116 days without charging them. Croes was taken into custody early Friday, one day after he gave police a statement about Holloway's disappearance.

Two Surinamese brothers and the 17-year-old son of a justice official in Aruba are also being held in the case.

It's not clear how Croes is connected to the three.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/4632430/detail.html

[teengeekgrrl]

I've been many places on school trips. I'm in West Virginia, and for field trips I've been as far as Florida and Boston before (though those were fairly small groups). Once before a class of ours (though it was before I was in middle school) went to Canada, around the Niagra Falls area. Our enrichment class has a 3 year cycle of school trips, so you never have to repeat one while you're at our school and you get to go on three different ones. The cycle was Boston, Outer Banks, and Canada. This upcoming school year is the Canada trip, but we all know that's not going to happen now that we've had 9/11. Our teacher is trying to figure out another place we can go with some history behind it. But I suppose the point I'm trying to make is...

Yes, the Aruba trip was pretty far and high for a high school trip. But keep in mind, this was a freak accident. Having a girl kidnapped, possibly raped, then killed is not a normal part of field trips. For the most part, school trips are safe and fun, and my parents have never kept me from a single one. Of course, Aruba would be pushing it just a little bit. I'm not sure if my parents (who are usually pretty lax) would want me in Aruba, and I can't blame them. But I'm fairly sure my parents and I would feel safe with a trip to our neighbors to the north or even Hawaii. We can't go around knocking school trips, though. There's no point in that.

Also, I get the feeling that Natalee had set herself up for this somehow. I'm thinking she might have met at least one of them on the Internet and arranged to meet them.

[angelize56]

The police have been trying to find an internet connection from day one...regardless...she might have been naive and too trusting...or she might have been chatting with one of the guys for such a long enough period of time she trusted him...I personally would not go meet any guy I met on the net without it being in a public place and with friends along as backup....in truth though...I don't ever envison myself ever doing that! Too many kooks, weirdos and liars out there!

I think elementary and middle school trips are entirely different than high school senior trips...your field trips are much more chaperoned and you children are watched over much more aggressively.

[teengeekgrrl]

yeah, probably. I can't ever see myself meeting anyone from the Internet either... though my mom has several very good friends that I've met before that she originally met on the Internet, butthen again my mom was using the Net long before it became mainstream and full of crooks. I guess in the early nineties there weren't a lot of people who had the notion of being fake people and stuff.

[Couriant]

Originally Posted by hannab

Not putting blame on the parents or anything...but why let children - which they are if they are still in high school - go off on these trips Especially to foreign countries Can't they just say no? Because you know that this tragedy won't stop the next girl from getting herself in a bad situation...why even put them in harms way?

How sad that the dreams of this girl and her family are lost.

Well, my guess is that the teenager will pull the "i'm old enough to do what I want" routine. Most of the teens at that age were like that. well at least when I was that age...

I really hate the lying. Pisses me right off and makes me want to give them the death penalty just for obstructing justice...

Hey angel, did you hear of Jill Behrman in Bloomington, IN that is missing (presumed dead). Actually this was in 2000, but same kind of thing, but for this, no-one has been arrested... I was wondering if you heard and what your view on that on is

[Couriant]

Originally Posted by teengeekgrrl

yeah, probably. I can't ever see myself meeting anyone from the Internet either... though my mom has several very good friends that I've met before that she originally met on the Internet, butthen again my mom was using the Net long before it became mainstream and full of crooks. I guess in the early nineties there weren't a lot of people who had the notion of being fake people and stuff.

I met my wife on the internet so far no problems but I understand what you mean. There's no telling who is who online on AOL IM or ICQ....

[angelize56]

Tidus: I hadn't heard of Jill...but just looked her up...found this :

The remains of Jill Behrman were discovered in a rural Morgan County woods on March 9, 2003.

Jill was a 19-year-old Indiana University Bloomington student when she disappeared on the morning of May 31, 2000. She had left home for a bike ride, and her whereabouts remained unknown for nearly three years.

Hunters in a remote area of Morgan County, near Paragon, stumbled on human remains, which have been positively identified as Jill's.

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Jill was a pretty young girl...how tragic to end up murdered like that! My view is that it sickens me every time I read of tragedies such as Jill's....this world has some really cruel, heartless people in it! I'm afraid Natalee is out there dead just waiting to be found too...

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We have a 16 year old boy from my hometown of Port Huron named Nathan Shoudy missing the past few days....he is with some 19 year old man he met on the net ....supposedly on his way to Alabama with him by car! What's wrong with kids...going away like that with a complete stranger...young men are not exempt from pedophiles...who knows what the 19 year old's motives are! Nathan's Mom must be going out of her mind with worry!

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A photo of Jill....

[teengeekgrrl]

[Couriant]

so they did finally find her remains... well I'm glad they did. I leave Bloomington in 2002 so I didn't know that.

As for nathan... one word... idiot