[Shamou]

What Would the Romans Do....

[hannab]

Originally Posted by BanditFlyer

Do what I do - get a buzz-cut. All your problems will instantly be solved. What would Teddy Roosevelt do?

He was a rough-and-tough kinda guy, so I think he would get a buzz-cut.

That's two votes so far ... who's with me?

I'm gonna start a new thread with a poll to find out what TSGers think about hannab getting a haircut less than 1/4th of an inch long.

Nyet Stralay I'm just kidding. Seriously though, I'm guessing that anyone who's moods depend solely on their haircut is bound to be a consistently happy person.

LOL Bandit, you are really quite funny. Yes, what would Teddy do? Now he was a fascinating character who lived by detemination. I read "The Roosevelt's" by Peter Collier and gained new admiration for him.

Nyet Stralay Please tell, sounds Russian - I am half Russkie but only know nyet, da and nastrovya can't find in google either.

and please don't start a thread about my hair - I obsess enough alreay

[hannab]

Originally Posted by JEBWrench

Tony Robbins hungry...

aarrrrggghhhh

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by hannab

LOL Bandit, you are really quite funny. Yes, what would Teddy do? Now he was a fascinating character who lived by detemination. I read "The Roosevelt's" by Peter Collier and gained new admiration for him.

Cool! I'll look for it.

Originally Posted by hannab

Nyet Stralay Please tell, sounds Russian - I am half Russkie but only know nyet, da and nastrovya can't find in google either.

Don't shoot! Something you say after making fun of someone's hair.

I''m guessing it would be spelled something like "CTPалаи", so that's probably why it's so dificult to find via google - I spelled it in the wrong alphabet. Even if I wouldn't have, I'm a terrible speller anyway.

Originally Posted by hannab

and please don't start a thread about my hair - I obsess enough alreay

I was kidding about that, so don't shoot! Hold your Fire!

[hannab]

Consider it held thanks BF

[BanditFlyer]

Originally Posted by hannab

Consider it held thanks BF

Of course.

Originally Posted by firestormer

So in closing if nothing is random and therefore you can predict the future (In theory) then everything is predetermind and we cannot effect it so it is FATE!

So far what you've described is not fate, but determinism.

The principal consequence of deterministic philosophy is that free will (except as defined in strict compatibilism) becomes an illusion. It is a popular misconception that determinism necessarily entails that all future events have already been predetermined and will necessarily happen (a position known as Fatalism); this is not obviously the case, and the subject is still debated among metaphysicians.

Originally Posted by firestormer

of course if you knew the future you might then act differently based on you interaction with the knowledge of the future thus changing the future and creating a paradox.

Interesting ...

And yet, your altering of the future would be based on an event that happened in your past(being given the knowledge of your future), so, it too would be predetermined.

[lighthouse]

Not sure I'd recommend any of this divination stuff. I went to see one of these - erm - 'soothsayers' once and it caused me huge amounts of problems for years after. Also, sometimes they could be conning you anyway. Who's to say that what they're telling you isn't just some baloney put out by people rather than some omnipotence? The other thing I don't like about this stuff is how it can induce fatalism and complacency in those it involves because - after all - it's all going to happen anyway so why do anything? All a bit exploitative really!

My attitude to the person I consulted that time is prove it, or clear off!

Sometimes a certain song written by the venerable Mr Mould springs to mind here!

[valis]

Originally Posted by lighthouse

Sometimes a certain song written by the venerable Mr Mould springs to mind here!

you wouldn't be talking of Husker Du, would you?

[firestormer]

Originally Posted by BanditFlyer

Of course.

And yet, your altering of the future would be based on an event that happened in your past(being given the knowledge of your future), so, it too would be predetermined.

Precisly,

There is no such thing as random. Are world is based on rules that can not be broken, such as the basic laws of physics.

Just like a computer but more complexly our brain looks at memories, old, recent subliminal and concious and whatever sensory input is availiable temperature ect. Based on that information it works which option availiable would produce the most desiered result. The desire complexly being based on survile instinct.

- All we are are atoms and stuff. Just like a computer. Computers cannot do true randomness. The best computers can do when asked to produce a random number is to work an equation so complex that it would be highly unlikly it could be reproduced. Yet it could be produced if you where able to simulated the exact same conditions.


- And if randomness donst exist therefore everything is predetermind.


- It should be notted though that consious knowledge of the self predetermind will lead to a change in the predetermind as all will be different and thus cause diferent outcomes.
basicly a paradox and possibly the end of the universe

- Thus although it is possible to travel forward in time it can never be possible to travel back in time. Or see into the future as this will involve light or similar traveling back in time. But you can predict.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by firestormer

Precisly,

There is no such thing as random. Are world is based on rules that can not be broken, such as the basic laws of physics.

Just like a computer but more complexly our brain looks at memories, old, recent subliminal and concious and whatever sensory input is availiable temperature ect. Based on that information it works which option availiable would produce the most desiered result. The desire complexly being based on survile instinct.

- All we are are atoms and stuff. Just like a computer. Computers cannot do true randomness. The best computers can do when asked to produce a random number is to work an equation so complex that it would be highly unlikly it could be reproduced. Yet it could be produced if you where able to simulated the exact same conditions.


- And if randomness donst exist therefore everything is predetermind.


- It should be notted though that consious knowledge of the self predetermind will lead to a change in the predetermind as all will be different and thus cause diferent outcomes.
basicly a paradox and possibly the end of the universe

- Thus although it is possible to travel forward in time it can never be possible to travel back in time. Or see into the future as this will involve light or similar traveling back in time. But you can predict.

...your theory could hold water if it was not for 'induced mind programming' such as seen in Pavlov's experiment. A 'brain washed mind' gets derailed from its normal cause/effect process and thus produces results that could not in any way be predicted.

[firestormer]

Originally Posted by Shamou

...your theory could hold water if it was not for 'induced mind programming' such as seen in Pavlov's experiment. A 'brain washed mind' gets derailed from its normal cause/effect process and thus produces results that could not in any way be predicted.

They can not be predicted as the scientists cannot know every variable, the position of every atom, electron ect.

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by firestormer

They can not be predicted as the scientists cannot know every variable, the position of every atom, electron ect.

There is no law of physics or whatever that can determine the results of the interaction of two or more minds... that is simple rubbish... therefore you cannot say that "everything is predetermined."

[valis]

Originally Posted by firestormer

Precisly.
There is no such thing as random. Are world is based on rules that can not be broken, such as the basic laws of physics.

once more.....

http://www.random.org/essay.html

[Shamou]

Originally Posted by valis

once more.....

http://www.random.org/essay.html

...valis... what would be your take on the interaction of different minds... random or determined...???

[valis]

depends on the interaction; right now, you and I are being, while not totally determined, certainly more so than random as we are talking about a like subject. If I were to post back, in response to your question, 'putin snorts edsels! Picasso! Bactine!', well, at that point we would be leaning towards a more random discussion.