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17-May-2007, 11:05 AM #106
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GW Sharks.


Wipe 'em off the planet. I wouldn't miss them a bit.
Hi LANMaster,

If all sharks were wiped off the planet's oceans, the ocean would be out of balance as the sharks provide a vital service of being the garbage collectors. Without them, there would be no control over the balance with other species that are their prey.

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17-May-2007, 11:33 AM #107
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1. The article is full of BS

Global warming is a natural cyclical phenomenon. Humanity's contribution is a mere drop in the bucket.
2. Natural selection
If the animal is meant to survive, then it will. If not, then either it will need to adapt or it will perish. Perhaps it's time for the pika to evolve.
3. It's a rodent

If you want to save the Pika, perhaps we need to start murdering the weasels. (the pika's cheif predator)

But wait, aren't weasels "cute" too???


Stupid liberals.

Humanity accords protection to wild animals, as we should.

But do they have "rights"
I think not.
In order to give "rights" one must be able to convey "rights" to others. Animals have no concept of "rights"

Now LAN...we are suppossed to take care of the animals. God loves them too. God may love us more, but he loves them too. Aren't we like their caretakers? I feel he gave them to us to love and take care of, and we miss the mark in this area also.
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17-May-2007, 12:10 PM #108
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Now LAN...we are suppossed to take care of the animals. God loves them too. God may love us more, but he loves them too. Aren't we like their caretakers? I feel he gave them to us to love and take care of, and we miss the mark in this area also.
I agree that we are to protect them.
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17-May-2007, 12:11 PM #109
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Hi LANMaster,

If all sharks were wiped off the planet's oceans, the ocean would be out of balance as the sharks provide a vital service of being the garbage collectors. Without them, there would be no control over the balance with other species that are their prey.

-- Tom
Just the Great White sharks then, okie dokie?
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17-May-2007, 12:11 PM #110
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Now LAN...we are suppossed to take care of the animals. God loves them too. God may love us more, but he loves them too. Aren't we like their caretakers? I feel he gave them to us to love and take care of, and we miss the mark in this area also.
Amen!
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17-May-2007, 12:58 PM #111
Whale update.

Will piped-in sounds lure wounded pair back to sea?
By Carrie Peyton Dahlberg and Deb Kollars - Bee Staff Writers
Last Updated 6:49 am PDT Thursday, May 17, 2007

This morning, a team of scientists and animal rescuers will find out whether the familiar sounds of humpbacks feeding will tempt a pair of lost whales back to their ocean home.

The two whales, a mother and calf, turned up in the Port of Sacramento's Lake Washington on Wednesday after an ill-fated journey from the San Francisco Bay, up the Sacramento River and into the Deep Water Ship Channel in West Sacramento.

The port waters marked a dead end for the whales. Long-term, they cannot survive in fresh water, and so far have been unwilling or unable to turn around and find their way back to the sea.

On Wednesday, they went under a very public microscope, as scientists in boats drew close to take photographs of their condition, while crowds gathered on nearby levees to catch glimpses of the large, graceful creatures. By the end of the day, thousands had come for a look.

The crowds were a worry to wildlife experts, who feared they would distress the animals, and to officials concerned about potential levee damage. City officials urged people to refrain from gathering on the levees, but said they would not stop anyone from coming for a look.

At daybreak Thursday, a crew was in the channel testing the sounds of humpbacks eating and other acoustic luring efforts to get the mammals back to sea, said Jim Milbury of the National Marine Fisheries Service.

Wednesday's inspections by scientists revealed both whales are wounded, but the mother whale is not entangled in fishing debris, as previously believed.

Pictures taken from an Alaska Whale Foundation boat showed close-up views of barnacles on the calf's face and a long, pale gouge along the mother's back.

The gash likely came three days ago from a boat's propeller in the Sacramento River, said Frances Gulland, director of veterinary science at the Marine Mammal Center.

The wound has a large flap of skin. The flap's movements back and forth had led some to initially believe the animal was entangled in rope or other gear.

The calf has a deeper, potentially more troubling wound, Gulland said. The same boat could have wounded both animals, its propeller slashing the mother's back as she tried to surface and the youngster's underside as it rolled or swam on its side. The boat's operator was likely aware of the collision, Gulland said.

The smaller animal's wound is harder to assess because it is visible only when the whale rises far out of the water. The mother's wound, 2 feet long and 6 inches deep, penetrated only the blubber, not muscle.

Pictures of the injuries were shown to about two dozen wildlife and public safety officials gathered at UC Davis Wednesday for a two-hour strategy session on how to help the animals return to their saltwater home in the Pacific. The session drew representatives from the California Department of Fish and Game, the National Marine Fisheries Service, the U.S. Coast Guard, the Port of Sacramento, West Sacramento police, the Marine Mammal Center and the Alaska Whale Foundation.

Among those attending was Laurie Gage, a veterinarian who helped Humphrey the humpback whale return to the San Francisco Bay in 1985 after it became stranded in the Sacramento River near Rio Vista.

Gage told the group very few humpbacks have wound up in such inland waters. The Humphrey experience, she said, offered the best model for helping the currently stranded whales.

In the case of Humphrey, scientists tried numerous strategies over 26 days to help the wayward whale return to the Pacific, with little success.

Finally, the scientists began playing underwater recordings of humpbacks feeding.

"It was either coincidence or it worked like a charm," Gage said. "Because that was when he went out."

This morning, rescuers plan to play underwater sounds of humpbacks feeding downstream of the whales. They may use boats to do some herding.

Scientists hope to attach a suction cup tagging device to at least one of the whales. It won't stay on forever, but veterinarians don't want to risk injury by using embedded tracking tags.

If the luring effort succeeds, scientists estimated, it would take about six hours for the animals to swim out of the channel and into the Sacramento River.

Shipping and small boat traffic were halted on the channel. Recreational boaters were asked to stay at least 100 yards away.

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17-May-2007, 02:30 PM #112
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And, that begs the question...If we have the ability to save them, shouldn't we?
I think we definitely should try but it may be too late from what I read in the article. I think the hardest thing for me to grasp until recently (I used to make fun of "tree huggers) is that it's all connected. The planet is a huge rubiks cube and our survival depends on the many species in trouble. It reminds me of the old " For want of a nail a horse was lost" thing. I've said before that I see no purpose for cockroaches & would wipe them all out if I could. Nothing but disease ridden pestilence carrying crap. But what do I know ? If you read the thread about bees endangered you know that's a wake up call. But are people going to stop using cell phones if that is contributing to the phenomena ? I think not.
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17-May-2007, 11:52 PM #114
Wow izme, sharp but succinct.
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Wow izme, sharp but succinct.

All the the understanding of needs to lead and end with an exclamation point
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19-May-2007, 12:14 AM #116
Whale rescue effort set to resume Tuesday
Officials urge public to take break, too, but prepare for weekend crowds
By Carrie Peyton Dahlberg and Matt Weiser - Bee Staff Writers
Last Updated 8:19 pm PDT Friday, May 18, 2007

The next effort to get the two wayward whales back to sea is tentatively set for Tuesday and will take an armada of roughly 50 boats stationed along the Delta, heaps of metal pipes and a cadre of pipe-bangers ready to make so much noise the mother and calf just can't stand to stay.

The creatures can't dawdle endlessly in the freshwater turning basin that leads toward silted-shut locks. They have perhaps four to six weeks before the mother faces serious malnutrition, said veterinarian Frances Gulland of the Marine Mammal Center.

For those trying to save the whales, hopes rose briefly and dropped just as rapidly on Friday. The first sign came early in the morning, before the luring effort began. The whales ventured about 200 yards down the Sacramento Deep Water Ship Channel -- the way home.

But the progress didn't last. Neither did another hopeful sign just before 1 p.m., as whale sounds were playing underwater and mother and calf seemed to linger near the channel mouth.

Moments later, they resumed their old pattern of making laps around the basin, surfacing for air together about every five minutes.

Biologists began playing whale sounds underwater Friday at 11:30 a.m., but broke off repeatedly to struggle with equipment.

Safety officials are asking the public to take a break, too, from the whale watching scene that has developed south of the port. Wish people would respect this request.

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19-May-2007, 12:22 AM #117
"Biologists began playing whale sounds underwater Friday at 11:30 a.m., but broke off repeatedly to struggle with equipment."

What? Trouble with equipment? Not acceptable....Where are the experts?
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19-May-2007, 07:07 AM #118
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By the end of the century half of all species will be extinct. Does that matter?
that is a rhetorical question if i ever saw one.

if most of the animals die,we will die soon after.

we are all connected...we all share the same fate.

if the plants die:the herbivores die:if the herbivores die:the carnivores die,if the carnivores die:humans will die with them.

contemplate this:a dominant species with "superior intelligence" is rapidly exterminating animals and plants of this world{our food source],polluting both air and the earth,most of which are living their ignorant lives without thinking about the consequences of their actions just to satisfy their egoistical and momentary needs...waiting for the greedy,fearful,and power obsessed leaders to solve their problems for them.

are these the trademarks of a superiorly intelligent species?

stop looking at your wallet and start looking at the earth.

you cannot use the wealth and power you have amassed if you are dead.

and siting in front of a monitor all day...."worrying" about the "poor little animals",worrying about loosing your caged zoo entertainment!.Debating and having fun will not change their[or your] fate either.

like an overweight human....waiting for a heart attack to happen!

dont "contribute to this thread"....contribute to the world by doing your part....dont look at these horrible reports as your personal entertainment because you have "nothing better to do"!!do something about it!!

stop thinking only about yourself and your ego:start thinking about the planet!.dont post reports and expect someone to show his gratitude for posting this "interesting but horrible article"and thanking you for providing him with his daily entertainment dose, and saying:"this is and interesting article..."take a look"....and they say:"oh my!what interesting but horrible article you have posted!","why thank you!i am glad you have enjoyed it!!!!!!"....

to to something is better than to do nothing at all!

stop buying newspapers,useless celebrity magazines,driving fossil fuel powered cars,flying in fossil fuel powered planes,stop buying useless animal fur fashion accessories!,useless animal fur lucky charms,recycle...etc...Be a part of the solution:not the part of the problem.

we have the power to change our fate.....we will not chage it by electing feeble minded neanderthals as our leaders!what you want is what you will get!

words without action are meaningless.

give your life a meaning...or die a meaningless death.

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20-May-2007, 10:28 PM #119
More on the whales....


Errant whales delight delta crowds

Ice chests, binocs, cameras fill shore at Port of Sacramento

(There always seems to a chance for business opportunities..)

(05-20) 04:00 PDT West Sacramento, (Yolo County) -- A shipping channel far from the sea has become the biggest tourist attraction in the county, and whale watchers lined its banks by the hundreds Saturday to catch a glimpse of two celebrity humpbacks circling forlornly in its murky water.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG2NPUD131.DTL
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20-May-2007, 10:31 PM #120
Whales abruptly leave Port of Sacramento
Hope they continue in the right direction. There were 10,000 people out there viewing them. They probably decided it was time to escape being stared at.

By Deb Kollars - Bee Staff Writer
Last Updated 7:10 pm PDT Sunday, May 20, 2007

The two whales stranded in the Port of Sacramento's turning basin left the lake waters and began swimming southward Sunday afternoon, possibly prompted by two tugboats that left the port to meet a large ship docked downstream.

As of 7 p.m. Sunday, the mother and her calf were about 14 miles downstream of the Port's turning basin and continuing southward in the deep water ship channel.

The scientists and animal rescue workers began following the whales in boats in an attempt to herd them downstream.

The scientists had given the animals a day of rest and relaxation Sunday while they planned a rescue effort slated for Tuesday that involved banging on underwater pipes to force the animals southward. Instead, they began placing the pipes on vessels to begin the noisemaking as soon as they could to continue pushing the animals downstream.

Brian Gorman, public information officer for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, said the two tug boats had been berthed at the port. They left at 2 p.m. to meet the 581-foot Sanko Jupiter, a huge ship parked at the Agrium Dock one mile south of the port.

When the tugs crossed into the Deep Water Ship Channel, the two whales started heading the same direction, Gorman said.

"We immediately launched several vessels to follow them," he said. The team of veterinarians, scientists and animal rescuers worried the large Sanko Jupiter would stop the whales in their tracks. To their great relief, the whales kept going.

"They have safely passed the Sanko Jupiter," Gorman said.

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