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16-Aug-2012, 05:29 PM #2491
If, after that time, it has become cynical and contemptable then how can it hope to win Friends and influence People when it has nothing left to offer?
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16-Aug-2012, 05:48 PM #2492
And when I get a Text Message from some Hippie at Greenpeace telling me to "Top myself" then it has even less than that!

Oh, and what exactly was his Contribution over the Years.....apart from being Dominic Greene probably?

Creative Economics turned everyone into Gollum - or so it seems, while its Effect on everything else - including the supposedly ethical Sector - has been not dis-similar to what the One Ring does to Boromir.

There are those of us who are more like Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn, and even Faramir about it!
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17-Aug-2012, 09:59 PM #2493
There are other 1989 Analogies too - the so called Human Face Approach - which is rather like the Communists in Poland who called an 'Election' - but only made 99 Seats available to any Vote. Every one of them went to Solidarity. The next one happens and the Communists were gone. What we have in this supposed Culture of Concilliation is a Continuation of Stuff run by those same People and those same Ideas - or its Progeny. Thus no real Refom at all and certainly no Dubcek.

What they created here was the worst form of its patronage imaginable, infested with People who rather like those eastern European Communists forgot where those Jobs came from. The Filmic "Council of Elrond" was probably October the 25th, a Date in the Gregorian Calendar that marked the establishment of the Ideology in Russia........except that by the last 20 Years of it in the Warsaw Pact it wasn't at all Communist - while Events in East Germany were the worst form of its Paradox. Frodo eventually throws the One Ring into Orodruin - that small Object of Desire back to whence it came and the World starts again in the 4th Age. Once that Ring was gone Nenya, Narya and Vilnya lose their Potency and everything formed by their Influence begins to fade. This is what will happen after a Trial that could conclude some time around that Day - an Industry collapses as Barad Dur does in the "Return of the King", and the Darkness it created dissipates.

The Trial could be Posgoys drawing back the Iron Curtain that eventually led to the Demise of almost all of it.

What happened that Year was the complete Rejection of anything those Governments represented, like the Mutants the current Mediaocracy created for Ideas in that Time......and for about the same Length of Time too!

Have that 'Ocracy' thought that there is a growing Movement of People who want none of it?

Their complete inability to adapt to anything else is reminiscent of the Feebleness the Warsaw Pact had to adapt in its last few Decades.

Much has been made of the recent Arab Spring, maybe its Time for a Creative Economics equivalent!

There's something else I figured out about what has been happening here too.

The Intangibility of People here is rather like those Wraiths - so if you don't even let them get any sort of hold on you you won't - as Strider says of Frodo - "become a Wraith like them!"

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18-Aug-2012, 02:46 AM #2494
The Effect it had on some of our Lives - professionally as well as what John Simpson would call the "fat balding Judge called Harald" Scenario when it came to any Relationships - was so bad that you become ambivalent about anything. You no longer live, you just exist. This is why we do things away from this Area - where the Influence of it all is diminished - if anything, to remember that we're alive. The Medias Games of Juxtaposition don't work in the Highlands of Scotland, the Brecon Beacons in Wales or even when a Ranger goes to find and help homeless 'Elves' in Swansea.

If that Verdict is passed and Precedent set on October 25th 2012 it'll be the most welcome Present any Lord Elronds ever gave me I can tell you!

Albeit after a 22 Year Stutter from that same Date in 1990.
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18-Aug-2012, 08:29 AM #2495
........................And while the Lady who recorded "Anarion" and "May it be" did her Compilation Album "Paint the Sky with Stars" I think I might paint my Ceiling with Emulsion and perhaps the Walls too! Won't need the Dwarves to rebuild any great Gates but perhaps some Polyfila might be useful to huh!
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18-Aug-2012, 08:52 AM #2496
Every one of these People is primed by that Mediaocracy - meaning John Lennon was right in "Strawberry Fields" and it's probably been like that since those 22 Years started!
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18-Aug-2012, 10:46 AM #2497
What I really like about the Release Schedule of some of these Films is how - we first have the LotR Trilogy - which brings us Aragorn - or Strider - in his Days as a Ranger, then we have a Film featuring someone called Robin Longstrider in "Robin Hood 2010", but then a Charecter called Robert from Brussels who makes Toys - and also Figures with Bows and Arrows, except he's airbrushed out - and then we have "The Hobbit" where Bard the Bowman slays Smaug.

The Ukrainian Jew asks Avner for Receipts in "Munich" - while you don't suppose any 90s Concert Promoters keep Copies of their Guestlists and complimentary Tickets etc for Accountancy purposes do you? Hmmm - might be someone conspicuosly absent from some.

Question here now is how this gets interpretted by the local Ocracy - in that do we finally have some sort of Justice after many Years of whatever wasn't - or was CJ right in her Comment about North Korea in the West Wing?

Read up on Hywel Coetmor and Gwydir....................maybe consult a Book by Karen Wynn Fonstadt.

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18-Aug-2012, 11:23 AM #2498
Then have another look at those Guestlists, Mailing Lists for Tickets - those 'Receipts' - in the 90s Preamble to all this!
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18-Aug-2012, 02:35 PM #2499
Hywel Coetmor built Gwydir and some of his work remains today, while he sold it to the Wynn Family. They - via a Marriage in early 19th Century Ireland - are related to the Gore (Harlech) Family - because an Ormsby married a Wynne (originally of Bala incidentally - rather like Annuminas). They, in turn - are somehow related to us.

I mentioned earlier that there was something very russian about the Dwarves - with their Cities of Nogrod and Belegost - while the Ukraine was often called 'Little Russia'. Doesn't that large Book the Naugrim Jew have seem rather similar to that that Gandalf finds in Moria in the first LotR Film?

They had their epic Battle with a Dragon in the Silmarilion.

It's Gimli who presents "Reclaiming the Blade".

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18-Aug-2012, 05:09 PM #2500
Meanwhile, the Company withdrew, regrouped and returns with "The Hobbit". I haven't been to the Cinema for Years - so this'll be a Time when I do!

As for the Enquiries, strange isn't it how Ipsos-Mori show up just before that Guardian Story!

Was this to try and give Market Research a Veneer of Respectability?

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20-Aug-2012, 09:16 AM #2501
In "The Hobbit" you get to meet the People who kept that Journal Gandalf finds in the first LotR Movie!

Meanwhile, that Figure with the Bow and Arrow not only alludes to Bard the Bowman or Hywel Coetmor - but maybe even Robin Hood too. Hmmm - don't remember there being any Work when that was being made either. Shame really, because not only does the daily Rate for Extras pay better than almost a Weeks Wage as it was then (90p Phr - I won't spend it all at once) being a Citizen of Nottingham or a Villager in Loxley etc teaches you things about the Period. Also, usually after you've done that you usually get similar Work on other Productions.

Now that's what I call a decent start to a Life.
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21-Aug-2012, 03:45 AM #2502
Something of a Paradox that - while a TV Show featured the Earl of Huntingdon - someone in daily Contact with the Company that made it, who has Connections not only with its Founder but also with its Products Subject Matter, who even lived in Huntingdonshire at one time, didn't get one Days Work as a TV Extra!

Having read and re-read "Of the Valar" etc it seems to me that there have been rather a lot of Melkors in this Story who insisted on making everything their own.
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21-Aug-2012, 06:52 AM #2503
Which conflicts somewhat with any "Good Trade" References and particularly how Robert Redford works. When he makes Films about anyone he makes sure they're somehow involved in the Production.

What seemed to happen here was rather opposite!
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21-Aug-2012, 08:47 AM #2504
Something awesome had happened the Year before Kevin Costner made and appeared in "Dances with Wolves" in 1990 (where we find the "Good Trade" Reference), while he made his Film about Robin Hood the Year after that, while the DVD includes a Making of...... Documentary presented by 007 Mr Pierce Brosnan. That Year also saw him making and appearing in "JFK". It's as if he's realised the Significance of Events at that time which presented People with something you couldn't attach a Price to - whose Opportunities for Creative Economics, Film, TV, Radio and Music are comparable to the proverbial Piece of String, and would like to see that Potential rather more equitably distributed than anything might have been before.

Unfortunately, it wasn't - but maybe it ought to have.

If I ever had the Chance to talk to him I'd say that the Performance of Wales and Scotland in 1999 says to me that had we been based there instead there might have been. I sometimes think that what they organised that Year was almost an attempt to put right some of the Damage done by the Years since he was John Dunbar, and at least gave me something to write about and also do Work not dis-similar to what "Bobby" was doing in 1968.

Because even this got used and exploited instead we now have an Industry in the Debacle it now faces, while considering what it implies for the Media - the Man who made the definative Film about it will probably have the last laugh!

"Raindrops keep fallin' on my Head" - and perhaps, because of both the appalling Weather and "Ouch" a few Years ago (instead of "Good Trade"), Robbie Williams ought to record this brilliant Song from another of Redfods Films!

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21-Aug-2012, 11:41 AM #2505
On the continuing Subject of "The Silmarilion", what some of us have in Common with the Faithful, rather than all these Johnny come lateley Faithless who've enjoyed the post 1968/1990 Patronages as they slithered around the Nomenclature is we remembered why and how things happened. HTV was established to tell the Stories of its Founders People and why they were doing what they were doing, (note Arthur of the Britons "The Slave" for example) or Robin Hood, and even pointing out some of the Inequities of the Jacobite Rebellion. As for more recent Stuff I remember why I wrote a Press pack for a Project in 1990, unlike those who seem to see it as some Word Game.

The People who came along since are like those Numenorians after Ar Gimilzor - and during the Ar Pharazon Era - when instead of Numenorians being seen by the People of Middle Earth as the Descendants of the Elf-Friends who were an Inspiration against Sauron they readily exploited them and plundered the Lands Resources. (they even had Slaves by then). They're like Melkor who wanted the Work of the Valar all to themselves - except their Voraciousness meant that there was so little left some of us Faithful were left on Benches for Years.

If we must indulge in Word Games maybe the Name Dunbar deserves some Examination. 'Dun' - perhaps alludes to Dun Eidean (Dunedain) or maybe even Dunlending, while 'Bar' is the second Syllable of Umbar. Maybe his Film says to this Equivalent of Umbar that perhaps it ought to be more like the Charecter in his Film rather than what began happening in the southern Seaport of Gondor. Problem is, I'm not sure they are while what seemed to happen with HTV and anything since is it got exploited along with those who were involved at each of its Beginnings.

I'm more like those Faithful who know why these things existed, while there were those 'Numenorians' who neglected Nimloth and even those who cut it down.
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