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13-Jun-2010, 02:24 AM #751
So why was there a Bunch of People running an Organisation that could connect with People then that you don't get now?

The Yippieocracy - in all its Abstractions - is what killed it!

Are Yippies nice people? No - look what Abbie Hoffman set out to do in 1968 - ransomed an entire Cities Water Supply - so they're just Punks in Kaftans aren't they! if whatever was going on here was so brilliant why am I in Scotland 800 Miles away from it all? To see everything derived from it disappear into that usual Suspect Yippieocracy makes my Blood boil. It didn't end there either. On the last day of our anti-poverty Walk we stppped at somewhere called 'The Point' in Cardif - Years later Hippie Rock band Hawkwind do a Concert there with some crap called 'Uncle Rotter!" So wat's going on there then Mr Brock?

Are Media People any good? Well, I had to move out of our Family Home because of one of them. If I didn't i'd have fought him - and NO I won't retract that! That was the ominously dated January 1st 1984 too! Yeah - I'm seeing Jason and his Merry Men on TV every Week in 84-86 - even David Balfour and Alan Breck Stuart in the Televisual Highlands - but it's not as if I'm on the Set with them making Tea or Coffee - or being an TV Extra for 50 a Day. By then I'm turning into Paul Weller from "Going underground" - and my Head is about to explode - because there's nothing happening here - for all the Hype - even then. (and when was the last Time he listened to any of his earlier Records?) if he did he'd be shocked to think that there are some - now 40 Somethings - whose lives haven't moved on very much since the early 80s.

How about other things? I'm in Swansea working for Human Rights - after all I helped 'make it happen' with a Project 15 Years earlier and what do I meet? Another of these 'Lookalilikes' - a Hippie selling the Big Issue - in SwanSEA, What is the Big Issue? A Magazine! What do you find in the Sea? Fish! What does Gollum specialise in doing in Peter Jacksons Film? Sneak around catching Fish! See - the Yippieocracy strikes again!

I'm not sure People need tht kind of Support.

So - because everything that Industry touches turns to Crud it seems maybe more of the Felowship and the Work they do - and less of the Media - might make the Difference that the Yippieocracy - as rotten s anything the Orcs clad themselves in or some sneery Bloke from the late 1970s - obviously can't!

As for our Project? We'd spent the late 80s seeing Reports about People disappearing in the Lebanon and no-one seemed to be doing anything about it. The Kidnappings were very ambiguous - with no Ransom Demands, no Demands to release any Jihaddists from Gaol - nothing - just People who would disappear for no apparent Reason. Some People decide to do something - and we do - and I write the Press and Publicity Pack for it. At this Stage it is just so much Gold - yet to be forged into anything. Neutral even! Then we get the Songs coming in and an Album is compliled - so that Gold has become a Ring - but just a Ring - still neutral - then it becomes a Career Structure - an object of Desire - a Battleground where everyone wants a Piece of the Action for whatever dubious Motive. This was when it gets the Inscription on it in the Blsck Speech and when the Smeagols covet it - and like Moria - the Goblins over-run it. Suddenly the whole thing starts getting turned on its Head and the Fellowship begins to dissipate.

So Lord Elrond here - who remembers that 'Council of..............' sees the same thing happening with it all as happened in Mount Doom when Isildur almost did away with everything Sauron represented - how he corrupts everything - as our Project almost did away with the Sauron Effect of before.......................but only almost! Suddenly everyone starts becoming Gollum as they want it for theeemmm - like Morgoth wanted all of Middle Eath for him in the 1st Age. I've heard the Remixes (Belfast Child and the Korgis Song), the Re-recordings by No Doubt and Beck - but while all this is going on it's like Grima FM telling me that everything is fine and it's all going to happen etc - but I'm turning into Theoden and Balin - as Rohan and Moria are over-run by Orcs - and get treated like Eomer does if I ask any Questions about it. Also, like Eomer - I've had to see those Grimas get bought one by one by the same Process. Then - considering how this is done in an Industry my Ancestor worked in I begin to feel like Aragorn does about his Lineage - as he is all too aware of what happened in Isildurs time - and is very sceptical of it all - while, like Gandalf and Galadriel, I also realise what it would do to and via me!

Which is why I want none of it and would rather be doing what the Fellowship was doing in the same Year as as many Years old Aragorn was (87).

What about Hippies and Drug use? What is Heroin if it isn't the Band of Gold becoming 'Golden Brown' - and what is Heroin if it isn't the ultimate Grima? it quite literally makes you look like Theoden doesn't it! What was the 90s if it wasn't when Drug use became almost compulsory. Sorry scary but you're a bad Joke!

So - like Aragorn - I have many Reasons to be sceptical of anything my Ancestor worked in because they're all Hippies past and present - and Showbiz is saturated in it! The difference is that unlike the Shards of Narsil Scene in Rivendell there's no Lady Arwen reassuring me that it isn't like that!
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13-Jun-2010, 04:00 AM #752
The Reason Mr Weller some of our Live haven't moved on much since the early 80s is because of your industry and how it works - someone from here even remixed one of your Songs didn't he - but I've never seen his Group!

"Wildwood" wasn't it?

We're such a Community of Creative here aren't we!!!!

Maybe you'd like to ask your Punkocracy Contempories Geldof and Ure what was going wrong in the early 90s!

Yeah - these days you have the Yippieocracy and the Punkocracy!

On the Subject of "Wildwood" yeah - we've got a Pub here named after a Tree - but I never used to use it for the same Reasons I'm in Scotland. There's even a regional BBC TV Documentary from 1997 explaining why. But then - while he seems to have forgotten why he wrote those Songs from the late 1970s-early 80s the People who made the TV Programme obviously haven't been in their Archive for a very long time either!

But then that's Yippies and Yunks again - they don't get it do they!

It might be named after a Tree but it isn't Treebeard! Why? Ask the Journalists who made the TV Programme!

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13-Jun-2010, 05:46 AM #753
Now - about this woman who might have been born on the same Day as me - the Media Hippie!

So why did the cynics at the Beeb send you then? As if i didn't know!

I'll tell you why..............................Gollum looks into a Pond at his Alter-ego that's why................JoJo!

That particular Forest might hve Fangs Mr Lee - but it isn't Fangorn!

Creative Economics Yippies might speak Anatar - but it does Sauron!

So while there's a Difference between a Lighthouse and Baradur - there' are also Fangs and Fangorn, Strident and Strider, Arrogant and Aragorn, Septic and Sceptic!

That Cheesecloth is as rotten as Bree (or Brie) might be if the Wraiths ran it all!

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13-Jun-2010, 08:09 AM #754
The Punkocracy is as crap as its Yippie equivalent...........................

Yeah we had Geldof and Ures Solicitors and Accountants with our Project but it's not as if I go to their offices in london every once in a while - rather like i've never seen U2 for all Bonos posturing about anti-poverty or Human Rights.. I crnge thse days when the usssual Suspects appear on these Subjects because it's all so cliched. The Industry has taken a huge shift to the right these days anyway so I'm not really sure how anyone expects it to make a difference.

As for Liverpool - would someone like to tell Chisholm that I've been connected with there since the 1st and 2nd Age - before they forged an earlier One Ring and called it the Rock and Roll Industry.

Oh and did anyone ever admonish Abbie Hoffman for what he threatened to do - lilke his Rabbi for example? Nah - he's Jewish and can do what he likes!
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13-Jun-2010, 08:35 AM #755
On the Subject of the whole 'Lord of the Rings' franchise I've heard that Christopher Tolkien is trying to get New Line Cinema to honour an Agreement that his Father established where an amount of Revenues from all Receipts of Books, Merchandise, Films, Box Office and anything else Middle Earth goes to fund the Charitable Work of the Tolkien Foundation. I hope he does because the Monies run into the Millions and it would be lovely to see such beautiful stories not only entertain and enchant like they have for Decades but also do some considerable Work to helping some very disadvantaged People.
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13-Jun-2010, 03:47 PM #756
And I'd say to Tolkien Junior that this Junior has been through exactly the same thing with the Industry................................and that Project. The Creative Economy acting like Morgoth - or even Gollum! At least when those Stories were just Books the Agreements were honoured and the Tolkien Foundation got their Funding. (New Line have something like 130 Million of the Foundations agreed Moneys apparently!)

Bit like when a Human Rights Project is still just a Project and not a Rock and Roll Album the Ethos of it remains intact! I haven't seen anyone from the IHR Second Age in Years - despite all the Corporate Hype - while the very Reason for its existence has disappeared in the Melee of Yuppie Nose Powderers and Careerism!

On the Subject of Liverpool Melanie C and Colleagues made 40 Million each in the 5 Years they traded as the Spice Girls - how long would Owen Owen have to Work to make that sort of Money? Concurrently they provided Employment for considerably more People than any Rock or Pop Group could - and not just in Liverpool either - while also making Quality of Life accessible to a wider range of People with its good Value Policy!

Oh - and if this Concept Town is so brilliant even IT's most famous Person doesn't live here! He's like the Architect and Town Planner that doesn't live in the Council Estates and Tower Blocks they designed in the 1950s! They're Goblins!!!!

As for certain 'Ideas' of recent Years - I resist those implacably - because I know what they would do to me - and what would happen afterwards to our Culture if I didn't!

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13-Jun-2010, 04:22 PM #757
40 Million x 5 = 200 Million in just a few Years, and that's just what the Group made. The Record Companies are always rather coy about their Income from a Band, but with that sort of Money in the Industry it'd be very difficult indeed for any Isildur to resist its Temptations! Once made what happens with it afterwards?

So Tolkien Junior trying to secure something from his Fathers brilliant Work for disadvantaged People is to be commended!

The other thing about all this is how ineffectual it is anyway when it becomes trendy. Those Films were made and shown a few Years ago now - but while Tolkiens Son tries to remind New Line about its Commitment to Charity I have to ask what has happened with our anti-poverty Campaign once any Monies started appearing from any public Funding! It's like they've forgotten why we did it - or even what the Fellowship was trying to achieve in the 1980s - as those usual suspect Yippieocrats get the Funding and nothing improves for some who were involved.

It's rotten Cheesecloth - as rotted as Brie if the Wraiths ran it all!

And while the Morgoths of Creative Economics keep that Money unacceptable things are happening to those disadvantaged People. What worries me is the the 90s - post 90s being what it is - and those in it what they are - if Tolkien continues lobbying the Film Company to release the Funds they'll wage their War on Middle Earth in typically Corporate Stylee! Do to him what was done to me!

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13-Jun-2010, 05:13 PM #758
But that's yer 90s - post 90s Creative Economy for you - as over-run by Goblins as Moria - Pandoras Glory Box opened - and they can't close it again - while Sauron the social Engineer - the Stage Manager - wants to control all of it via his One Ring! The vile corporate Witchcraft of the 90s!

As for others - well, they've been lured into and duped by the Anatars of all that Yuppie Commerce Crap - that doesn't work!

Then whinge to People like me!

I'd say to them - why can't you do what you used to be able to do 20 Years ago - if it hasn't been? (Lighthouse scans around Isengard and notices that there aren't any Trees) Ahhh - so that's why!!!!

It;s the Difference between Swampy (legendary Campaigner who tried to stop the Bulldozers from levelling our Forests) and the Dead Marshes!

Lighthouse then enters Theodens Golden Hall and sees that Grimas Golden Brown has been doing its worst! "And who's this witless Worm?" he asks!

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13-Jun-2010, 06:06 PM #759
So while Owen Owen might not have made 200 Million in just 5 Years considerably more People benefitted from it in many Cities and Towns, and for a much longer Time - so that's definately the Difference between more People - and Morgoth! What happens when a Bunch of Hobbits remain as Stoors ...................................... and don't beome a Gollum!

When 'Senior' defeats or resists the Man with the Golden Gun - so the Golden Hall remains a Grima free Zone and Theoden looks like Bernard Hill ought to look at that Age - Theodred lives -and Eomer doesn't become an Exile!
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14-Jun-2010, 10:19 AM #760
So while Tolkien Junior struggles to retain the Integrity of Middle Earth and the Tolkien Foundation in his Battels with the Creative Economy, this Junior has the same Scepticism of whatever his Senior might have been Aragorn does of Isildur - while struggling to retain a similar Integrity concerning something involving the Middle East - and Lebanon. While resisting the continuing Attempts by Sauron to ensnare and corrupt.

And while all this goes on a Film is made earlier this Year featuring Viggo Mortensen, Karl Urban and John Rhys Davies called "Reclaiming the Blade"

The Firstborn of Harlingdon - the Men of Harlech - begin their March, and the Dunedain - the Descendants of Europes Numenorians I suppose who eventually Peopled the Northern Realms - do what they can to retain whatever might have been good about the First and Second Ages - through the Third and into the Fourth!

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(In fluent Sindarin)

What's horrible about it is that it hasn't just afflicted People like me and there are others (some Famous some just ordinary Folk trying to live their Lives) who have been ravaged by it all too!
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14-Jun-2010, 10:34 AM #761
They're vile disgusting grasping little Goblins - and what was the Band 'Precious' about Ms Frost?....................................from Liverpool?

And the ones that aren't that are either eloquent Saruman and Women who ought to know better or manipulative slime like Sauron!

Oh how different things are since the Days of that last Alliance!

But then Sauron the Stage Manager set out to break that Alliance didn't he - or she!

Now it really is as if I would enter Edoras and see the 'witless Worm' doing his - or her - Intrigue

And if the 'witless Worm' hasn't succeeded why can't those people do what they used to ba able to do 20 Years ago? There was another War going on in those days too!

Ahhh - of course - we had the crappy 90s and those awful 'indie' Bands didn't we - that's why!

Goblins with Ellectric Guitars (who look like Mordred from the Mists of Avalon) - and "Drums"......................and "Bass"....................................Liverpool!

Think I'd rather be a Nation of Shopkeepers! We achieved rather more and for considerably longer doing that than any of that Showbiz Crap!

They lie, they're fake, they're slimy, devious, coniving, dishonest, crooked and cynical, - where in any of those are any Qualities that anyone could admire?

They're Goblins - rotted Yippie Cheesecloth - and i don't want to know - Uruks!

Now - get lost!!!!!!!

You've corrupted and perverted enough!

as far as i'm concerned enough people have killed and died for that horrible One Ring of dirty Showbiz Lucre. Beautiful people do not have that effect!

Not many have done so in Retail have they!

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14-Jun-2010, 11:31 AM #762
You can't grow a Shop in a Petri-Dish -taht only happens through Years of hard work - but you can grow a Pop Group in a Record Company A and R Office Uruk Pit - like a Shop can't hide behind the Black Gate like Media People do.

You're bulcrap!

Now bring your pretty Face to my Axe!

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14-Jun-2010, 11:42 AM #763
For Years i've seen the effects of their Uruk Culture in the real World - and what it has done to our Society and our People. I'm not hiding behing those Black Gates where Uruks interact with Uruks, Orcs with Orcs - and no-one else - so my Opinion on it all isn't as distorted as theirs. What is dangerous about this is how that - like the Wraiths - Gallop out of Minas Morgul - with that indulged, rotted One Ring, one sided, one dimensional veiw of the World - as theirs became - and they expect all of us to live to it.

While those same Wraiths attacked a few Hobbiton's, Bree's and elsewhere - doing the proverbial Knife in the Dark thing - with People I knew and loved. Now they're as Wraithlike too as they had more Contact with them than with Elrond.

The Yippieocracy prowling around 90s Eregion like Sauron in the guise of Anatar!

Now I'm like Treebeard - not on anyones Side - because no-one's on my side - there's no-one left!

Plenty of them 20 Years ago - before Sauron the Stage Manager, Saruman the Social Engineer started running it all. We were a free People then - a Democracy. I don't know what you'd call whatever 'Ocracy' we have now but isn't democratic!

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14-Jun-2010, 01:30 PM #764
If I'm going to be on anyones side it'll be Christopher Tolkiens becayuse I've had the same thing done with me - by the same sort of People!

No Merry - there won't be a Shire - literally - if that Industry prevails!

Y'see Dominic I had a Project over-run by Orcs and Goblins 20 Years ago - a Human Rights Project that was as disappeared as the People it represented. It won't be few Acres of Stumps you'll see - but all of it - as Tolkien Junior gets subjected to the same things I did.

I did an Anti-Poverty Campaign - some of it with a Couple of Youngsters called Frodo and Bilbo, we see an Area of Forestry that looked like that bit of Fangorn after Sarumans Orcs went to it with the Chainsaw, I'm born on October the 25th - the same day as the Council of Elrond - and our Project represented People who disappeared in a Middle Eastern Country with the same Name as a Province of Middle Earth. Before all of that I'm in something called the Drake Fellowship - doing what you Guys do in the Films - because I'd been unemployed for a long time. The same thing always happens though and everything - not just the Momentum from the Fellowship or the Integrity of the Human Rights Campaign and even the Fact that Poverty isn't just about not having very much Money - disappears - including the People.

Sauron stage manages it all - Saruman engineers it - and Grima FM tells me not to make a fuss.

And - rather like you and Pippin - when i'm in the Forest (at the Suggestion of Cyclist People you might call 'Hippies') - no-one I need to see is ever there - it's always the bloody same!

And why? Because Years ago they decided that i am going to be buried in the Barrow Downs that's why! So - do you think i trust them? You think I believe a Word they tell me?

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14-Jun-2010, 02:32 PM #765
That's what that bit of rotted Cheesecloth they've got between their cynical Yippie Ears decided a very very long time ago!

That's why you get no Commitment at all from them!
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