[Stoner]

This is a repost of LauraMJ's message to me in the TechRelated news forum and my response ......better here for consideration than in the Tech Related News forum.
http://forums.techguy.org/6951546-post30.html

Originally Posted by LauraMJ

Postings in Tech News is more of a FYI type of posting. We've noticed lately that there have been a number of threads that have become debates, and that is not what this particular forum is for. A bit of discussion, or related news, or something is, of course, fine, but a true debate over the morality issues of a particular article and so forth really needs to stay in CD.

Therefore, it's been decided that from now on when someone feels there is debatable material in an news article posted in this forum, they need to start a thread in CD about it. They can post a link to the thread in the Tech News forum, or post a link to the original article, but either way, we are going to insist that debates on articles be kept in their appropriate place,.....Civilized Debate. This forum is intended as more of a gathering place for current tech news, and not a gathering place for debates.

We plan on keeping an eye on this forum more and will be closing any thread that becomes an obvious debate.

I acknowledge the concern.
Good idea linking a thread to a debate in CD.
Some of that discussion does appear to be debate, but how can commentary about a flawed news article not be debate? It's a catch 22, imo.
And I think it's needs to be pointed out that many of these 'news' articles rationalizing piracy and illegal file sharing are originating from bloggers and sites promoting unrestricted file sharing, seldom news sites.


A consideration might be the concept of lumping specific subject matter under the same thread title.
Like illegal file sharing/piracy that is in quite a number of these tech threads. The ones I frequently respond to
That would make the forum look neater, be easier to read and simplify linkage to debate in Civ Debate.

About all that has really happened is that these pro piracy/illegal file sharing articles are presented as news in a forum that doesn't allow debate .......as a mechanism to evade debate, imo.
And it makes TSG look bad, also imo.



Thoughts?

[paisanol69]

Originally Posted by Stoner

This is a repost of LauraMJ's message to me in the TechRelated news forum and my response ......better here for consideration than in the Tech Related News forum.
http://forums.techguy.org/6951546-post30.html



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And I think it's needs to be pointed out that many of these 'news' articles rationalizing piracy and illegal file sharing are originating from bloggers and sites promoting unrestricted file sharing, seldom news sites.


Thoughts?

....started in the tech related news forum, (no matter what the subject of the thread is) generates any responses that appear to be debate...then move the thread immediately to the debate forum, such as has been done in the past. Its even been done wrt moving threads to from random/civ debate for the same reason...a thread has raised enough interest in other members, to create a debate, or vice versa.

I dont think that posting a link to the orig. thread, in a new thread in civ debate is a good idea, why create all that extra clutter here, just move the thread to civ debate, and let the games begin.

If a thread starter in tech news posts a thread on a subject that is debatable, then let it be debated. simple enough.

especially if/when the thread starter in not posting news, but rather blog opinion, in a forum that is SUPPOSED to be tech related news, once opinions are being posted in/as news, it either belongs in random, or civ debate.

[ekim68]

Moving to CD...If it looks like a debate and walks like a debate, then....

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by ekim68

Moving to CD...If it looks like a debate and walks like a debate, then....

then you likely missed the reason why the thread was started in the suggestion forum .

A consideration might be the concept of lumping specific subject matter under the same thread title.
Like illegal file sharing/piracy that is in quite a number of these tech threads. The ones I frequently respond to
That would make the forum look neater, be easier to read and simplify linkage to debate in Civ Debate.

[Cookiegal]

I've moved the thread back to Site Comments for further discussion.

Fodder for debate can be found anywhere if you look for it but the fact remains that users are posting news articles for informational purposes and not with the intention of having to engage in debate or defend them. And just because a member posts an article that doesn't necessarily mean that they agree with it either. It's not fair to try to draw unwilling participants into debate or turn their thread into one so it has to be moved. There's a reason people don't venture into CD.

I do like the idea of grouping some topics into one on-going news thread though.

[win2kpro]

Originally Posted by Cookiegal

It's not fair to try to draw unwilling participants into debate or turn their thread into one so it has to be moved. There's a reason people don't venture into CD.

IMO (which means nothing) a thread shouldn't be moved unless it obviously is in the incorrect forum. Also, IMO CD is neither civilized nor a debate.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by win2kpro

IMO (which means nothing) a thread shouldn't be moved unless it obviously is in the incorrect forum. .........................

I can see that point.

But, like with the number of pro piracy/illegal file sharing threads that have occurred in the Tech Related News forum....there does become a time when their presence projects an argument for approval, imo.....a situation begging debate. And yet that forum isn't designed for that activity.
This is the conflict, imo.....with out challenge, the apparent agenda to rationalize those crimes does leave a negative image of this web site that can be further embraced and seen as an eye sore to those dissaproving .

Imo...it's a tweaking of the rules to present an agenda.
Copy and paste 'news' articles presented as arguments rather than debate by the poster's own words.
I can see that a rule prohibiting the posting of those issues is also draconian and would be a negative in presenting news, in general.

So, perhaps this thread can be used for comments and suggestions on how to avoid what I see as arguments for piracy and illegal file sharing that go unchallengeable at the site of the post ......because of the location of the post is in a forum that isn't set up for debate.

I am currently challenging, presenting debate to some of those news articles in Civ Debate.
Is this the solution ?

[win2kpro]

My point was meant to be this.

A post should be discussed or debated in the most appropriate forum. I see posts that may be moved from Networking to Hardware because the post is more Hardware related, and the people who frequent Hardware may be better qualified to adress the problem than someone who frequents Networking, or vice versa.

From my few years here what I have seen in CD is; IMO most of the people, NOT ALL, who frequent CD are not well versed enough in illegal file sharing for CD to be the proper forum for an illegal file sharing discussion.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by win2kpro

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From my few years here what I have seen in CD is; IMO most of the people, NOT ALL, who frequent CD are not well versed enough in illegal file sharing for CD to be the proper forum for an illegal file sharing discussion.

I doubt you can sell that to the TSG administration.
I've responded to articles that were pro piracy/stealing in the Tech Related News forum and seen disapproval because it looks like debate.
Civ Debate was suggested as the proper forum.


Debate in a non debate forum?
Where do you suggest it be debated if not in Civ Debate or Tech Related News?

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by Cookiegal

I've moved the thread back to Site Comments for further discussion.

Fodder for debate can be found anywhere if you look for it but the fact remains that users are posting news articles for informational purposes and not with the intention of having to engage in debate or defend them. And just because a member posts an article that doesn't necessarily mean that they agree with it either. It's not fair to try to draw unwilling participants into debate or turn their thread into one so it has to be moved. There's a reason people don't venture into CD.

I do like the idea of grouping some topics into one on-going news thread though.

Thanks for moving the thread back

I do like the idea of grouping some topics into one on-going news thread though.

It would clean up that forum visually and give a progression of news event to follow on particular topics.
No offense, right now subject matter looks scatter shot with each news article having it's own thread.

[win2kpro]

Personally, I believe the subject is tech related.

I look in CD and the posts I generally see have a direct nexus to politics, healtcare or are war related.

If I'm not mistaken the name of this site is www.techguy.org From just that name I would make an assumption that the general purpose of the site is related to computer, software and peripheral problems. I don't recall seeing many posts in CD regarding computer, software and peripheral problems that needed to be discussed or debated.

My thinking is situations involving file sharing is more germane to Tech Related News than to CD since it involves software, and can affect computer operation.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by win2kpro

Personally, I believe the subject is tech related.

I look in CD and the posts I generally see have a direct nexus to politics, healtcare or are war related.

If I'm not mistaken the name of this site is www.techguy.org From just that name I would make an assumption that the general purpose of the site is related to computer, software and peripheral problems. I don't recall seeing many posts in CD regarding computer, software and peripheral problems that needed to be discussed or debated.

My thinking is situations involving file sharing is more germane to Tech Related News than to CD since it involves software, and can affect computer operation.

Well....the point I brought up is not about the way file transfers occur in the technical sense.
It's about the 'news' articles posted as copy and paste arguments that present pro piracy and pro illegal file sharing advocacy ....and by the nature of the forum where they are posted, avoid debate.
IMO, intellectually dishonest, but seems to squeak past the TSG rules in place

My thinking is situations involving file sharing.........

Just pointing out that this situation is centered around the rationalization of criminal acts ....using technology to accomplish the act.
I am not presenting a 'How To' in the technical sense.
Actually, it's more of a social issue facilitated by technology.

[JohnWill]

The rules are somewhat "flexible", it's awfully difficult to apply a fixed rule to every possible circumstance.

[Jason08]

LOL, ironically, half of this thread seems to be debate itself, and I wouldn't be surprised if it gets closed soon.

As for the matter, I don't think there probably should be much of a debate going on in the tech-related threads. However, some of them just go into one.

[JohnWill]

There are valid points being made, but the world is not black & white, but rather shades of gray.