[ferrija1]

Originally Posted by namenotfound

Even those "Mac vs. PC" commercials on TV are moronic! They just help to spread the stupidity of the world.

No they're not, they're talking about Mac vs. PC which is OS X vs. Windows, respectively. Anyways, you are saying a Mac's hardware is just like a PC's hardware. If that's what you're saying, then this is like a Dell vs. HP thread, since there hardware is the same.

[cancon]

Originally Posted by namenotfound

A MAC IS A PC
PC STANDS FOR PERSONAL COMPUTER
PERSONAL COMPUTERS ARE DEFINED BY BEING AFFORDABLE FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, BEING SMALL ENOUGH TO FIT IN A HOUSEHOLD, A BEING USER FRIENDLY.

So what do you mean by "If a Mac's hardware is essentially the same as a PC..."

It IS a PC. And I'm tired of people trying to say Mac and PC are somehow two different things. Even those "Mac vs. PC" commercials on TV are moronic! They just help to spread the stupidity of the world.

[vinyljunkie]

Personally, I think that's rooted in the fact the Macs have been driven by media industries (art, design, music, etc.) to the point that they are not considered to be a personal computer, but a work machine, to be used only when you want to perform a limited set of chores.

The lines have always been "so much faster!", "extremely efficient and easy to use", and "I can do my work so much more easily!", and not "fun to use!", "good for all ages!" or "batteries included!". <--couldn't help that one

I believe this has led people to not associate Mac/Apple with personal use and has pigeonholed it as described above. People think "personal computer" and they think Dell, HP, Acer, etc.

When someone says "pc", I don't think they are referring any given hardware+software+affordable machine, they are referring to what they have been told is personal versus what they have witnessed is not personal.

Just my opinion, though.

[namenotfound]

Originally Posted by ferrija1

No they're not, they're talking about Mac vs. PC which is OS X vs. Windows, respectively. Anyways, you are saying a Mac's hardware is just like a PC's hardware. If that's what you're saying, then this is like a Dell vs. HP thread, since there hardware is the same.

Then they should say "Mac OS X vs. Windows".

Staying "Mac vs. PC" IS stupid!

Also, don't put words in my mouth "Anyway, you are saying..." A MAC IS A PC, what you're saying still doesn't make any sense. "Mac's hardware is just like a PC's hardware". If a Mac is a PC then what the hell are you referring to when you say "PC". PC is a general term, WHAT specifically hardware are you referring to when you ask if I am saying they're the same?

Anyone that thinks a Mac isn't a PC is also stupid. Anyone that asks "Do you own a Mac or a PC" are stupid. End of discussion.

[namenotfound]

Originally Posted by vinyljunkie

Personally, I think that's rooted in the fact the Macs have been driven by media industries (art, design, music, etc.) to the point that they are not considered to be a personal computer, but a work machine, to be used only when you want to perform a limited set of chores.

When the term "PC" was coined, it had with it 3 lists of requirements to be considered a PC. Those are the three I listed before. Usage isn't a requirement. How you use your PC is up to you, weather it be for business or pleasure.

[vinyljunkie]

Originally Posted by namenotfound

When the term "PC" was coined, it had with it 3 lists of requirements to be considered a PC. Those are the three I listed before. Usage isn't a requirement. How you use your PC is up to you, weather it be for business or pleasure.

I agree. However, due to marketing of the Mac to certain industries; on top of the considerably higher cost ownership, there has been a line drawn which makes consumers perceive the Macs as being less "personal". At the same time, the marketing efforts of Dell, etc. have been pointed at general users. All I'm saying is people are not considering the three things that you listed, but they are referring what they perceive as a personal machine.

[namenotfound]

Originally Posted by vinyljunkie

I agree. However, due to marketing of the Mac to certain industries; on top of the considerably higher cost ownership, there has been a line drawn which makes consumers perceive the Macs as being less "personal". At the same time, the marketing efforts of Dell, etc. have been pointed at general users. All I'm saying is people are not considering the three things that you listed, but they are referring what they perceive as a personal machine.

Ok, that makes sense.

I just wish more people would be technologically aware. I still hear people refer to the Internet as "the blue E".

[ferrija1]

Originally Posted by vinyljunkie

Personally, I think that's rooted in the fact the Macs have been driven by media industries (art, design, music, etc.) to the point that they are not considered to be a personal computer, but a work machine, to be used only when you want to perform a limited set of chores.

The lines have always been "so much faster!", "extremely efficient and easy to use", and "I can do my work so much more easily!", and not "fun to use!", "good for all ages!" or "batteries included!". <--couldn't help that one

I believe this has led people to not associate Mac/Apple with personal use and has pigeonholed it as described above. People think "personal computer" and they think Dell, HP, Acer, etc.

When someone says "pc", I don't think they are referring any given hardware+software+affordable machine, they are referring to what they have been told is personal versus what they have witnessed is not personal.

Just my opinion, though.

I agree. However, due to marketing of the Mac to certain industries; on top of the considerably higher cost ownership, there has been a line drawn which makes consumers perceive the Macs as being less "personal". At the same time, the marketing efforts of Dell, etc. have been pointed at general users. All I'm saying is people are not considering the three things that you listed, but they are referring what they perceive as a personal machine.

I don't know if that's what people think, but Apple definite wants it to be (and makes it) a fun computer. Just look at the iLife apps and Photo Booth as well as Apple's site and ads.

Then they should say "Mac OS X vs. Windows".

Staying "Mac vs. PC" IS stupid!

Also, don't put words in my mouth "Anyway, you are saying..." A MAC IS A PC, what you're saying still doesn't make any sense. "Mac's hardware is just like a PC's hardware". If a Mac is a PC then what the hell are you referring to when you say "PC". PC is a general term, WHAT specifically hardware are you referring to when you ask if I am saying they're the same?

Anyone that thinks a Mac isn't a PC is also stupid. Anyone that asks "Do you own a Mac or a PC" are stupid. End of discussion.

A Mac's internal hardware is the same, yes, the RAM, CPU, motherboard, optical drives, and video card are all generic parts that could be in a PC. What is different is the outside, the design of the computer, the case. Also, saying you have a Mac implies that you have OS X, the native operating system for Macs. A "PC" includes Macs in it's original definition, but things change and for the sake of clarity in Mac and Windows discussions, a PC generally refers to a machine that runs Windows. If saying Mac vs. PC is stupid, then so is Dell vs. HP, iPod vs. Creative Zen, and Bose vs. Polk, since all essentially use the same hardware.

I guess those 1.6 million hits for "Mac vs. PC" on Google are wrong. (sarcasm)

The Blue E
http://mouserunner.com/FF_Click_On_The_Blue_E.html

Peace...

[vinyljunkie]

yup. Seems like you feel about this subject the same way that I feel about the general public calling all Electronic Dance Music "techno", so I feel your pain.

[loserOlimbs]

If Macs are PCs then why are they so... not affordable?

Or at least over priced!

[cancon]

Originally Posted by ferrija1

The Blue E
http://mouserunner.com/FF_Click_On_The_Blue_E.html

Very good.

[Foley]

If you like games go for a PC, if you like looking at pictures and just browsing the web (what a mac is good at) then still go for a PC.

PC is just so mutch better, im sorry but its true.

[TechGuy]

Alright, let's stick to a news topic here rather than just do the regular Mac/PC bashing.

[cancon]

Originally Posted by TechGuy

I've always been a PC man myself, but to try to avoid making this thread identical to every other "Mac vs PC" that's been out there, let's add some news:

Originally Posted by TechGuy

Alright, let's stick to a news topic here rather than just do the regular Mac/PC bashing.

haha... Always trying to get to the point...

[vinyljunkie]

Honda vs. Toyota
Ford vs. Chevy
Cingular vs. Verizon
us vs. them
Church's vs. Popeye's
Jets vs. Giants

As is Mac vs. Windows.

In a perfect world, everyone would respect the opinions of all others concerning this. Truth is, I don't care why anyone prefers one over the other. It's their opinion, and that's really all that matters. As long as they don't attempt to push their opinions on me, it doesn't affect me.

Ya love Mac and want no other?
Great.

Perfectly happy with Windows?
Wonderful.

Prefer Unix or Linux?
Beautiful.

But plz don't attempt to convince anyone that your opinion (that one is simply better than the other) is actually a fact.

On a related note, I work in the GIS industry, and finding a spatial data viewer/editor that works well on a Mac (including web apps) is quite frustrating.