[JohnWill]

I'll pass on that suggestion.

[Braydenmartindal]

I saw a commercial for the honda FSX I would buy it if theyre were more hydrogen refilling staions ...http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/
Thats a good car yeah it dont look SOO great like I like the look of the prius better but this is nice too rear end looks messed up to me though

[MikeSwim07]

Until they can make these energy efficient cars cheaper, no one is going to buy them.

[Braydenmartindal]

Originally Posted by MikeSwim07

Until they can make these energy efficient cars cheaper, no one is going to buy them.

Well thats not going to happen unless you find them used , they're here to make money not loose it you gotta think about it how much doesnt i cost to make them ? They have to pay for the cars to be built and the jobs and shipping , and transports to carry them to the dealers yeah maye it costs VERY less for all the parts but then again your paying for it all not just the parts they gotta make money Now that I think about it , they cant be makeing much on the fact that they have to pay for everything else

[Braydenmartindal]

and yeah nobodys going to buy them when they arent for sale yet :P coming in late summer 2008 or 09 i forgot wht the ad said one or the other

[JohnWill]

One thing that nobody considers with hydrogen powered cars is the energy that it takes to produce the hydrogen in the first place! There is no real efficiency gained, the energy is just used in a different location.

[MikeSwim07]

When it says Hydrogen powered cars, doesn't it mean that it takes the hydrogen out of the water?

[Elvandil]

Originally Posted by MikeSwim07

When it says Hydrogen powered cars, doesn't it mean that it takes the hydrogen out of the water?

Yes, and that takes a lot of energy, usually electricity. That energy comes from somewhere. It means pollution in some form, and damage to the environment by building more power plants, nuclear or coal mostly.

[slurpee55]

We could use horses or mules to turn turbines to generate electricity to break the water into hydrogen and oxygen...hmm, not too practical for city living, is it?
Basically, the real problem is entropy - you can't get energy out of something without expending, in the long run, more energy to get the energy you use. The sun is our overall supplier of energy - everything else trickles down from it.
A Dyson sphere, anyone?

[Elvandil]

More efficient to ride the horses.

[MikeSwim07]

What about wind turbines?

[Elvandil]

Originally Posted by MikeSwim07

What about wind turbines?

Wind and solar are good ideas. The trouble is that they don't really put out that much power. And you need a lot of them and a place to put them, and hopefully, constant wind. They can make up a percentage, but they will never be the entire solution.

Personally, I think the money is better spent harnessing energy from something totally reliable--the tides.

[MikeSwim07]

Where I live in Cleveland they are thinking about putting wind turbines in the great lakes, which has constant wind.

[Braydenmartindal]

Hydrogen Powered cars like the Honda FCX I mentioned , Runs on it you take it to a refilling station for Hydrogen lots in the california and British colombian Region (Canada and USA) its not one of those ****** energy sucking things that gets hydrogen out of the water in the car , In fact you cant put just pure water into this car , You will break it

[Elvandil]

That's the point. All hydrogen cars are "energy-sucking" because they still need hydrogen. That is produced somewhere else with all of its negative environmental results.