[Mumbodog]

Constitution does not apply

I think that is what needs to change. Nobody gets to stomp on it, nobody.

[hewee]

Originally Posted by guy2

I know this should be in civilized debate but what the hell

Constitution does not apply

Barron vs. Mayer and City Council of Baltimore 32 U.S. 243

It should apply.

The courts are making laws now days and they were never setup to make laws but to enforce the law. That means not twisting the law around but they do that.
It gets worse and worse each year and just look at those on power over us now days that should be working for the people that voted them in but they work for who really put them into power and most do not see that either but the books and even videos are out there to show who has the real power and how they are walking all over the law of the land.
The USA is going to fall and that is very sad to know but the writing is on the wall to anyone that eyes are open. I like to say it can not happen here in this great land but it will.

[guy2]

Yep ,it will fail but when will it fail and where will you be?

What is the US definition of fail?

I don't think we will ever truly fail but things are going to gratefully be rearranged ,to some it could mean a lawless land of great power or a dreaded right out depopulation plan of epic proportions.

Im worried about bank hired mercenaries

I hope someone has the hart to kill the federal reserve before we do fail to that extent.

[hewee]

Is Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty?

http://www.globalclimatescam.com/

With things like this going on and Obama wanting to play with and side with the UN then some bad things will happen.

I hope that they kill the federal reserve and take all the money they took from the people unlawfully.
Even still now days we don't owe the Fed money but now we owe China and other places and that is not good.

If what is in the Bible comes true then the USA is in trouble unless it changes and it is to far off to change so much in the short time need to change things.
We are losing the super power, the dollar will not rule and we will fall and many will die.

http://www.whale.to/b/coleman_h.html

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johnc...r14mar05.shtml

http://www.whale.to/b/coleman1.html

Look at how so little control so much and why freedom of speech is getting taken away.
http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html
There is no real reporting like there used to but most all is from a news service that is controlled.
http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/...iacontrol.html
http://www.corporations.org/media/
http://www.takebackthemedia.com/owners.html

http://911newworldorderfiles.googlep...gram-flowchart

Thinks here will scare you also.
http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdshh...eature=related

http://www.thenhf.com/eu_issues.html
Lots and lots very sad and evil things going on.

Long but worth reading. It will tell you how and why were became so great and what good or bad things will happen to us. Easy to see that the bad things will happen because of the way we are.
United States and Britain in Prophecy, The

[guy2]

That's why i need to vote Ron Paul or someone like him ,if Ron Paul fails i will leave the states ,i paid my time.

There is so much scum floating around this country it's hard to see politically correct as a means of vision.

If some of these people can find the will turn off their toys and materialistic cravings then maybe sheeple will wake up to this sham of a society ,polyarchy society that is.

I like the links you've posted about the pesticides and news pyramids very informative since i haven't had time to keep up with everything.

youtube the anti terrorist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxSntYtkaao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XeV4cfgTcI

John Harris

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IM7Hobd_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K-vQ...eature=related

[ozziebeanie]

Originally Posted by Mumbodog

It is now a 3rd degree felony in Texas to "intimidate" some one on a social networking site.

http://www.khou.com/topstories/stori...213b32fe6.html



Looks like anyone saying anything negative to another person on a SN site is now a potential felon in Texas.


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I think there is a difference between harassing someone in some way and speaking up and giving your opinion.

Saying to someone on a chat client that you think they are full of sh.., is different to saying that you know where they live and you are going to kill them.

Personally I think there is a lot of fruit cakes on these social networking sites and you take what they say (if in the negative) with a grain of salt.

I also think that if you are harassing someone continually then you need to get the chip of your shoulder and get a life, most chat clients do have things in place where you can block others if they are pestering you, then again some of those options do fail, often, but there is always ways.

[hewee]

Ron Paul would be good and really I think he won but the powers to be made him look bad or just keep him out of the ratings that he was ahead in so that most would say Ron Paul? who is he? because they only push the 2 that they want to win and really it does not matter because they would work for the powers we do not see. JFK talked about those really in power and JFK was part of it but he changed his ways and he had to know that they would kill him because they did after he got are money back by printing "USA notes" but then LBJ over turn that law and the money was changed back to the FED notes that cost us.

Funny you said the politically correct because I read at this site and I thing a video at youtube about the politically correct and all these other sayings and how that has been bad in so many ways.
What is has done is put people into more and more groups.

When something is going on that you don't like you are to pick this or that group and this has had a bad effect.

Watch The Obama Deception HQ Full length version or watch it in parts from the other links.
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...bama+Deception

9/11 was a setup to start a take over of our rights and it was all planed ahead of time and it is the very same thing Hitler did.
Churchill cried out to people for years about what was going on and what would happen and they would not listen to this crazy guy till years later and that is a good thing or you may not be here. But then he was not crazy and they made him a great man.
Winston S. Churchill: The Watchman
Read the United States and Britain in Prophecy, The because HWA also said many things before they happen and so many of the things he has said have come true because he was speaking for God but most thing he is crazy.

But Hitler got into power and did things the same way with blowing up there own building and people and then got the fear in the people to want the government to protect them but they will take away your rights so they can get power and the Germans have always been the worse all tru history and can never be trusted but we are going to play into there hands because they are again becoming a super power.
God warns us not to put our trust in any man but only God and he will protect us but we lost all that after WW2 and let the great power that the USA had get to our head. It was never man that made us great but it was God and we turn our back on him and he will turn his back on us and some worse things that has ever happen many times worse then WW2 will happen to us here and others around the world.
The Nazis power is alive and has been in hiding all these years.
Nahum: Prophecy for Germany
http://apfn.org/apfn/control2.htm
http://apfn.org/

Read these booklets http://lit.pcog.org/Default.asp?site...eratureLibrary
All from Herbert W. Armstrong I have read and all that he has said I have checked out and is true and time came and passed to show he was telling us all along things that will happen because so many did happen because he was speaking for God.

I joined the church he build or God build but it was after Herbert W. Armstrong died. Right from the start things did not seem right but I went to church for about 6 years and dropped out after they had a 2nd time were many droped out. The first big split was before I got there so never seen it. Here I am thinking it was me not doing something right but it was not me or was me because I was not in Gods church because the one who took over after Herbert W. Armstrong died no longer did what God told him to do. Micah: God's People Rise Up as His Enemy

God has laws just like any Government has and you have to live by those laws. Christ came here to tell the world about the coming Kingdom of God to take over and rule the world forever and they killed him for it. If they would of heard what he said he only came to bet Satan he is the god of this world and to replace him but only after he returns but they thought he was going to take over back then and like any human you do not want someone else taking over your power so they killed him. But now Satan knows his time is running out and he is getting ready with a one world Government so he can get the army's of the world together to fight Christ at his return but Christ will win.
Then a true and honest Government will rule and teach everyone the truth about so many things. This world is so pagan it is not funny and you can see it all over and in the Government building.
30 Little Known Facts about America
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4QfeaF3MmE

The truth about...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_Bunny
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooth_Fairy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentine%27s_Day
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Year
http://wilstar.com/holidays/newyear.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_festival
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Paganism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_Paganism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...ry_of_religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor..._and_movements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...y_Portal_pages
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tradition

There is ton of info out there and if you search for the truth you will find it. But trust no man and only God and you will find the truth. God even tells you that and to search the Bible each day to see if what is said is the trust and God even means what his own ministers say.

If you take the time to really search things out you will be shocked.
May things have been going on for 1000's or 100's of years and you just think that is how it is because that is what people have always done but most have been pagan and it's hard to deal with when everyone is doing all these pagan things around you all the time and if you stop they thing you are crazy just like most will think I am crazy.
But you know what they never check anything out to prove me wrong because if they wanted to prove it to me they will find out that they are wrong. But even then most will just keep doing the wrong things just because everyone else does. People want to fit in and do like everyone else is doing. Thing is if it is wrong then why do you want to keep doing it.
Lots of old things from HWA here going back to his start.
http://www.herbertarmstrong.org/index2.html
But these will keep busy a long time and you can just listen as you do other things. Some are bad recording but lots of things to hear.
Just be ready to hear things you may not like to hear but are the truth. Then you be glad to know the truth and want more of it. Ask God to open your eyes and ears in pray.
http://www.herbertarmstrong.org/Radio.html

Anyhow I am now finding my way back to God after dropping out of that church in 1995 that was the right church but turned on God after HWA died and God raised up his Philadelphia Church of God.
There is and alway has been only one Church of God or Church that the God is ruling over and all the others are false or pagan no matter how much they seem to be the God of your Bible they are pagan and your Bible says that so don't take my word for it but read it for yourself.
Most churches teach so many false things it is not funny.
Read what the Bible says with a open mind and your see how some many things are not what you thing. Do not go by what the minister or church or any other say but only what God says in your own Bible.

[ozziebeanie]

We can pick up a news paper, watch the news, watch an informative documentary on television, search the internet, read the bible or any other book, all have one common thing, they, are written/re-written by a human.

We all know, men/woman are not perfect, us humans also write how we see it. We are already seeing the news not necessarily from the governments point of view but how the reporter, business man columnist, environmentalist and who ever else writes articles or make a movie about something they report/show it, as they see it.

I am sure that things written, are for the most part believed by that person, what they write may be correct, it may not be, or maybe not far from the truth, as what they hear, read, see, is interpreted how that person perceives it.

I have seen for myself a news item on TV about a story going on and saw that a family friend was been used as a farmer interviewed about an outbreak of a disease, (he was not a farmer, but a second hand dealer/antique dealer) as they could not get anyone to speak from the affected area, answering as they wanted him to answer questions they put to him just so they could fill a spot in the news program before other television channels broadcast anything about it.

I sat there and I am sure my jaw dropped to the floor or would have if it was possible, so I learnt not to trust in reporters 100% but I am sure most news is mostly truth, but we are fools if we believe everything we read, see and hear as being 100% truth no matter where or what form the information comes from.

One thing I don’t see much of but would love to see more, is people that stand back think about things and come up with their own opinion/choice in life.

Surprisingly few do.

[hewee]

Good luck in your way of thinking ozziebeanie because your find out later the truth because God will make sure you know the truth some day. Then you will step on your own jaw.

[ozziebeanie]

People also make assumptions

[hewee]

Yes any many think some things will never happen. Long ago a man told the world what would happen and they all said he was crazy but then the rains came and it rained for 40 days and the world flooded and all died but those on the boat.

[guy2]

Getting religious now are we?

I made up my own religion ,it's called... that shinny and sometimes rather annoying thing in the sky that grows me food and stops the planets from flying uncontrollably into outer space.

Noam Chomsky ,a great intellectual and he's a jew!!!

No but really this guy is awesome and everyone in the world should know his work.

tells it like it is and such solid debating ,he's a man that will leave a mark.

[hewee]

Getting to know God and only starting because there is so very much to know and understand.

No a crazy born again. If they read the Bible they should now that those that are born again are born into the Spirit and will no longer be flash and a human can not see flash. You will than be sinless and a son of God so born into the God family.
God created everything after it's kind and that means just that and it was made the same on earth as in heaven.
But then said...And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.
That means there was more then one because US is there but God only made after God's likeness.
Was are only flash and human and need air and blood to live.
When your are born of the Spirit then you will be like God because your be his son.
But God has not and is not out to save the world right now and never has. Only 144,000 will be rise and the dead in Christ and those who are alive when Christ returns will rule under him a 1000 over humans to teach them all the right things.
The Saints that are dead will rise to meet Christ in the sir is what everyone seems to not know or understand.
How is it they are dead and in the ground just like anyone that dies and we did a hole and put then in the ground. Do not all the churches say you die and go up to heaven? When the Bible says no man but he who came down from heaven has gone to heaven. That is talking about Christ. If the Saints never went up to heaven then all the others never went there and are dead in the ground just like your Bible says.
God will bring all who has ever lived back to life so they may know the truth.
That 1000 years Satan and his demons will be locked up and not around like he has been ruling over this world like he has these 7000 plus years. So you mind will not have him around.
I just pray and wish it would come now and I can be with Christ when he returns. I know now I can not because I have lots to learn first.

[guy2]

So we are getting into religion are we?

One thing i can say about religion is don't go advertising.

There's to many gullible people on earth that will take you seriously ,not'' just kidding.

But anyway i come from a very very religious family ,my great uncle was a high Italian priest who did masses in old Latin ,he baptized me and much of my family ,all the elders from that side are very serious about it ,like they got a stick up their arse. My saint of an uncle ,as i was always told ,turned out be be the exact opposite. When i got older and more of a thick head i started asking questions and stuff from other none exploited sources and they were not good ,he died a really really fat criminal let me just put it at that. If i wasn't born into it i would of never had to eat it ,when i have kids i will let them be. Few months ago i caught my crazy grandmother trying to baptize my little nephew with holy water in a closet ,this is what i have to go threw.

[hewee]

Sounds like the Catholic Church that is the worse of them all and has a long his of getting control of Government and tell the people what they can and can not do and they put many to death by the government laws.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope
Reason why we came to this land and started our Government.
Reason for freedom of speech
Reason for Freedom of Religion

People used go to jail or get killed if they did not do what the church said and they had the power of the government to back that up.

That was why United States Constitution had 1st Amendment Separation of Church and State: Freedom of Religion

But that was to keep the church from control things in the government and now today that have take God away from the very Government that that God made because those that started things here knew God was first.
We have twisted the Separation of Church and State and forgot what that was there and how thing were in the pass.

About the First Amendment

By Brian J. Buchanan
First Amendment Center Online managing editor

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

They have made a law saying you can not have God in the schools or Government and that means you can not pray to God.
What people forget is that is what they all did back then but no one said what God you could pray to but they all prayed to the God in the Bible back then.
Watch David Barton of Wallbuilders.
David Barton of Wallbuilders Explains Separation of Powers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBSTp...eature=related

Mike Huckabee David Barton Founders of the Cons...
You need to see all the other video's by David Barton http://www.youtube.com/user/wallbuilders
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f
http://www.wallbuilders.com/
The American Heritage Series is full of history you never knew and how God was a very big part of it.
How ministers were all part of putting our government together and making the laws that made the Constitution.
They pray before starting sessions
KKK Lynching were not to kill the Blacks but KKK Lynching (killing) Republicans. Most blacks in the south were Republicans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVzJ2...eature=related
Blacks had a big part in the start of our Government also.
See all these
http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...rch_type=&aq=f

Then other not so nice things that go on.
Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove Part 1/9 HD !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAxKgYWrIQ

American Heritage Series play list.
http://honradeus.com/AHSContents.html
This makes it more easy to play all or most from youtube.

See what happens when we do not know history.
Any time you forget the pass it will repeat itself and that means the bad things that happen in the pass will happen again and that has always happen all tru history.
We are doing many of the very same things Adolf Hitler http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler did before he took over Germany.
Germany power is getting greater and greater and you can bet the Fourth Reich will come out of her because Nazi leaders have been around and hidding. They did that after WW1 and again after WW2 and they will start WW3.
Read the history of the German people and they have always wanted to control the world.

This is a MP3
U.S. in Biblical Prophecy