[cheese]

Whats conflicting? Everything seems good to me.

[Big-K]

Same here.

I really have virtually given up on anti-spyware products. I just see no reason at all to pay for them, at least for me. None of the three major programs, Adaware SE Personal, Spybot S&D, or Microsoft Anti-Spyware, also a scan once with PestPatrol, have found anything since their first scan on this system, which has been up since January 6th this year. All thats been found is a couple of tracking cookies, all 5 or so the same one, from my websites webcounter when I test it. I uninstalled the MS one a few weeks ago because it had found nothing since its first scan(in which it found 3 items, none of which were really important). I did my first adaware/spybot scans in over 20 days last night, and found zip. Is it really this hard people? I've actually been thinking about posting a guide of exactly how I get no spyware, and no longer require the anti-spy programs on my website.

Same with viruses.

With all the hype around it lately, youd think people would get the freakin picture. I'm sorry, I'm not usually so angry.

[I Fix 4 U]

Same. 2 spyware scans when i first got my computer, after that i haven't had any since ('cept for one i purposely allowed in-had to for program compatability).
Nope, no spyware I would never pay for pro's, not worth it.
I do run virus scans tho haven't had any of those lately.
I guess its by disabling activex in internet settings, along with a few other safety things i took. I haven't been up on windows updates lately, but sygate and mcafee are, system runs fine.
I use firefox which helps.
IDK, i guess i've got things covered here, but i still would like real-time protection, and since its M$ it likely uses files that are already loaded into memory which can help.

[brendandonhu]

Microsoft is already using their AntiSpyware program to brand their competitor's products as "Security threats" and uninstall them. The program detects Firefox as spyware.

EDIT: This was either just a rumor, or has been fixed. MS AntiSpyware does not detect firefox anymore (if it ever did)

[cheese]

That was a rumor and a faked image. One guy on the WHT forums made it - and it got spread around.

[I Fix 4 U]

Could anyone try and verify that. Skivvy, you have the scanner, and i guess u also have firefox. Did it detect FF?

[Skivvywaver]

It does not detect firefox. If it ever did it was fixed. I heard that rumor also, it turned out to be internet BS unless it was fixed before I installed MS antispyware.

[Skivvywaver]

Originally Posted by Big-K

Same here.

I really have virtually given up on anti-spyware products. I just see no reason at all to pay for them, at least for me. None of the three major programs, Adaware SE Personal, Spybot S&D, or Microsoft Anti-Spyware, also a scan once with PestPatrol, have found anything since their first scan on this system, which has been up since January 6th this year. All thats been found is a couple of tracking cookies, all 5 or so the same one, from my websites webcounter when I test it. I uninstalled the MS one a few weeks ago because it had found nothing since its first scan(in which it found 3 items, none of which were really important). I did my first adaware/spybot scans in over 20 days last night, and found zip. Is it really this hard people? I've actually been thinking about posting a guide of exactly how I get no spyware, and no longer require the anti-spy programs on my website.

Same with viruses.

With all the hype around it lately, youd think people would get the freakin picture. I'm sorry, I'm not usually so angry.

I don't get infected either but that doesn't mean I can't get infected. The last time I got hit was by ncase and that was over a year ago.

Yeah, I might find a cookie if I don't close my browser before I scan. I have popupcop and it dumps all cookies except the ones I have exceptions for every time I close my browser. I dump everything except 5 cookies. I have no internet cache at all. I have cable, I don't need anything stored locally.

[brendandonhu]

Somebody on WHT made that up? I'm suprised- it was on slashdot (not that they do any fact-checking or anything.) I'll edit my post.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by brendandonhu

*Brendan has edited his comment*

I have two laptops running XP home and used the MS beta program on both.
FireFox was not dertected as spyware on mine and this is the first I've heard of it.
None of the other programs like BHODemon, Spywareblaster, AdAware or Spybot Search and Destroy were deemed "security threats".

Both laptops have Norton NIS installed, but disabled for the test. No problems there, either.

[Big-K]

Does not using a cache slow down your surfing significantly, or even at all? I've thought about it, but have thought no until now. I have my cookies set to only allow ones originating from the site. No external ones.

[Skivvywaver]

Originally Posted by Big-K

Does not using a cache slow down your surfing significantly, or even at all? I've thought about it, but have thought no until now. I have my cookies set to only allow ones originating from the site. No external ones.

I don't even notice it K. I have my cache set at 50 meg, but I also dump it every time I close my browser. I have IE, which is my main browser set to look for newer pages on every visit to the page. When I was dial up I didn't dump files on exit but I still had IE check for newer versions and the cache set at 50 meg.

It saves allot of junk build up, and by dumping all cookies except what I elect to keep spyware cookies are not even a problem.

You could try it. If it slows you down it is easy to go back.

[hewee]

Originally Posted by Big-K

Does not using a cache slow down your surfing significantly, or even at all? I've thought about it, but have thought no until now. I have my cookies set to only allow ones originating from the site. No external ones.

The cache or temp files will speed things up as you will not have to reload the same things again. Like coming here or other sites after clearing the cache it takes longer to load the page because it needs to download the page background, logo, icons, smilies etc. Then in the threads with images you have to download all the picturs again. Stop and thing about a thread that has 25 post per page and a image in each post. You come here to see the new post that was the 25 post on the page you have to wait for all 25 picture of that page to load. With the cache just anything new would have to be downloaded so it would just be the one picture.
With netscape your options are...

Compare the page in the cache to the page on the network:

Every time I view the page: Select this if you want Netscape to compare a web page to the cache every time you view it.

When the page is out of date: Select this if you want Netscape to compare a web page to the cache when the page is determined by the server to have expired.

Once per session: Select this if you want Netscape to compare a web page to the cache once for each time you start Netscape.
Never: Select this if you do not want Netscape to compare cached information to the network.

I use the "When the page is out of date:"

[Rupac]

PLEASE OH PLEASE HELP virus is trojan horse startpage.16.bd

Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 8:10:13 PM, on 2/28/2005
Platform: Windows XP SP1 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP1 (6.00.2800.1106)

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
c:\Program Files\Norton Personal Firewall\NISUM.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXPPS.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft AntiSpyware\gcasServ.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system\sqed.exe
C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgamsvr.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgupsvc.exe
c:\Program Files\Norton Personal Firewall\ccPxySvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft AntiSpyware\gcasDtServ.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Netscape\Netscape\Netscp.exe
C:\HijackThis.exe

N3 - Netscape 7: user_pref("browser.startup.homepage", "http://home.netscape.com/bookmark/7_2/home.html"); (C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\eoue5efo.slt\prefs.js)
N3 - Netscape 7: user_pref("browser.search.defaultengine", "engine://C%3A%5CProgram%20Files%5CNetscape%5CNetscape%5Csearchplugins%5CSBWeb_01.src "); (C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\eoue5efo.slt\prefs.js)
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [oul] C:\WINDOWS\System32\oul.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccRegVfy] "c:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccRegVfy.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [gcasServ] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft AntiSpyware\gcasServ.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [MSConfig] C:\WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\Binaries\MSConfig.exe /auto
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background
O4 - Global Startup: Norton Personal Firewall.lnk = C:\Program Files\Norton Personal Firewall\nisfirst.exe
O15 - Trusted Zone: http://www.neededware.com
O23 - Service: ASP.NET State Service (aspnet_state) - Unknown owner - C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v1.1.4322\aspnet_state.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: AVG7 Alert Manager Server (Avg7Alrt) - GRISOFT, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgamsvr.exe
O23 - Service: AVG7 Update Service (Avg7UpdSvc) - GRISOFT, s.r.o. - C:\PROGRA~1\Grisoft\AVG7\avgupsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Proxy Service (ccPxySvc) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Norton Personal Firewall\ccPxySvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
O23 - Service: iPod Service (iPodService) - Apple Computer, Inc. - C:\Program Files\iPod\bin\iPodService.exe
O23 - Service: LexBce Server (LexBceS) - Lexmark International, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Auto-Protect Service (navapsvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
O23 - Service: Norton Personal Firewall Accounts Manager (NISUM) - Symantec Corporation - c:\Program Files\Norton Personal Firewall\NISUM.EXE
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Firewall Monitor Service (NPFMntor) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\IWP\NPFMntor.exe
O23 - Servi


ce: NVIDIA Driver Helper Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe
O23 - Service: ScriptBlocking Service (SBService) - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\SYMANT~1\SCRIPT~1\SBServ.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
O23 - Service: SymWMI Service (SymWSC) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe

virus is trojan horse startpage.16.bd

[hewee]

Now seeing how I hate IE and don't use it but for updates and times when I have to I have it clear the temp after each use.