[RSM123]

Originally Posted by JohnWill

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[JohnWill]

FWIW, on a recent search for Comodo, it seems they were claiming that they were falsely accused of including spyware, and the spyware scanner vendor had apologized on their forum.

I don't know this to be true of false, just thought it might be of interest.

[brendandonhu]

Most sites are listing the Comodo Trust Toolbar as a hijacker but I don't know why. I think just because it advertises Comodo.

EDIT: After taking a look, Comodo should not be listed as spyware.

[bearbottoms]

Originally Posted by JohnWill

FWIW, on a recent search for Comodo, it seems they were claiming that they were falsely accused of including spyware, and the spyware scanner vendor had apologized on their forum.

I don't know this to be true of false, just thought it might be of interest.

My reply to that is a question. Does Comodo firewall (et al) include software that does something other than what a firewall program is supposed to do? ...as a sidenote, are they up front about it...clearly and concisely?

[brendandonhu]

Originally Posted by bearbottoms

My reply to that is a question. Does Comodo firewall (et al) include software that does something other than what a firewall program is supposed to do? ...as a sidenote, are they up front about it...clearly and concisely?

No its a separate product from the firewall.

[bearbottoms]

Originally Posted by brendandonhu

No its a separate product from the firewall.

Then what is this about?

As has been disussed in public forums, the Launch Pad is add-on software used as a marketing vehicle for other Comodo products and services. There is no documentation or mention of the add on software at Comodo’s web site. As well, there is no method to un-install the software without removing the desired application…Comodo’s overall image of trustworthiness is degraded by tactics formerly reserved to scam artists. Upon first evaluation, I cautioned other admins that lack of a paid version available to Comodo customers indicated future use as an advertising gimmick

http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/...aadgdfdddh_ah/

[brendandonhu]

The spyware concern was a false positive in Trust Toolbar by SpySweeper and a number of other vendors, unrelated to LaunchPad. All launchpad does is offer other Comodo products, just the same as AVG, Norton, and every other antivirus that I can think of does.

[bearbottoms]

Originally Posted by brendandonhu

The spyware concern was a false positive in Trust Toolbar by SpySweeper and a number of other vendors, unrelated to LaunchPad. All launchpad does is offer other Comodo products, just the same as AVG, Norton, and every other antivirus that I can think of does.

I've yet to get one single notice from AVG about anything other than updates...which is a good thing . Comodo is right up front about Launch Pad?

[brendandonhu]

LaunchPad is a lot like where AVG Free has offers to upgrade to the Pro version.

[bearbottoms]

alt.comp.freeware

>
> John Fitzsimons wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:51:44 -0500, "Bear Bottoms"
>> <bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>> >I posted a link, but here it is again:
>> >http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/05/...aadgdfdddh_ah/
>>
>>><bearbottoms1@gmai.com> wrote:
>> >The question is: does comodo include bundled software that does
>> >something other than what a firewall does? It seems they do. Some
>> >may think it harmless. I don't want any bundles and who knows what
>> >it really does.
>>
>> Exactly. IF the "LaunchPad" is as "innocent" as suggested then Comodo
>> would respond to people's complaints and remove it. Their not wanting
>> to suggests that there may be something going on that isn't being
>> disclosed.
>>
>> Regards, John.
>
> John
>
> I do not know what your motives are, but on many occassions I have
> made it clear that we asked our users about what they want to do with
> Launchpad here http://forums.comodo.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html
>
> and we will carry out whatever they decide! as simple as that!
>
> Your negative insinuations, without any factual basis, about our
> product is not appreciated. If you got proof about something make it
> public! Otherwise pls be reasonable and don't spread FUD!
>
> Melih
>
>

Melih,

Following the accusations back-and-forth now for quite some time here, I
wonder whether you haven't come up with the idea to make the complete
source of that Launchpad available for the programmers here to look at?

The mere fact that you (Comodo) insist of bundling the Launchpad with any
of your products, without offering the possibility of letting the enduser
decide whether or not this by-product should be installed is, to say the
least, suspicious. And please don't tell us that the Launchpad "is fully
integrated" into the functionality of your products, that type of BS has
been tried before in the past by a company much bigger than yours... and
they lost!

I think you have to understand the sentiments of the subscribers to acf in
matters of "bundled software", *and* you have to be willing to acknowledge
these sentiments... at least, if you are interested in distributing your
programs as freeware and get (much like Grisoft) free advertizing for your
company! Also the fact thst you don't disclose the extra program needed
(the Launchpad) on the web site isn't in your advantage, it reminds a lot
of people of bundled spyware. Melih, being open about the program, sharing
the source, would be in your advantage; the way you act now isn't. As admin
of two domains you should be able to understand that!

The way you act now, and did in the past, makes that there is, and will
remain, a shadow of suspicion on your programs, how well written and good
they may be.

--
Jay

[brendandonhu]

I'm not sure how John Fitzsimons expects Comodo to release all of their software for free without any advertising, but it seems apparent that he hasn't actually tested LaunchPad to see what it does.

[bearbottoms]

Originally Posted by brendandonhu

I'm not sure how John Fitzsimons expects Comodo to release all of their software for free without any advertising, but it seems apparent that he hasn't actually tested LaunchPad to see what it does.

Well, if you visit Comodo's forum...you will see that this is much discussed. The issue has become so grave, that Comodo has agreed to release a version of Comodo firewall without Launch Pad or any other bundles. Why, and why didn't they do this to start with, and why didn't they come out right up front and tell people they had bundled Launch Pad.

I wanted Comodo Firewall, not Comodo Firewall and Launch Pad.

[brendandonhu]

I imagine they removed it because they got bored of listening to people complain over free software

[bearbottoms]

Originally Posted by brendandonhu

I imagine they removed it because they got bored of listening to people complain over free software

Actually name recognition is worth a lot of money. That is what this particular game is about. Release a good freeware firewall and (if it really is good) your name will become more popular thus better opportunity to sell other products. Good capitalism in my book.

..And Comodo firewall is good. Probably the current best freeware firewall.

Now for the question, would you say people have been burned by bundled software? I think your missing the point.

However innocent Launch Pad may be, it is still bundled software. It was hidden. I want to know what I am getting. We do not have access to the source code, so we really do not know what it does.

Much has been discussed about this in the Comodo forums and elsewhere. Comodo has decided? to withdraw Launch Pad and submit the firewall without bundled software. The secrecy about the bundle and this after the fact decision should not be hard to figure out that it was a mistake.

You seem to think bundled software is fine...at least in this case...I don't. To give up on this would render adware burdened freeware. Give an inch.....

Freeware not only allows name recognition for the owner/creator, it along with Open Source programs submit challenges to commercial software and the result is better products, less ads, lower fees, fewer staged releases, less stagnation etc. There is much more to this than one may initially think. To play it lightly is dangerous.

[Stoner]

I've been following the discussion with interest.

I agree with you, bearbottoms, about the unknown bundled software. I'd rather not have it.
You posted:

And Comodo firewall is good. Probably the current best freeware firewall.

What qualities seem to put it ahead of the rest?