[bluraycus]

Originally Posted by Covenant

Common Sense is an uncommon virtue...

I am shocked at how many Celeron equipped PCs with 512MB RAM and Shared Memory Graphics Cards I have seen on the shelves. Best Buy and Circuit City should both be ashamed of themselves.

You say Common Sense is an uncommon virtue...! you may be right but think about it for one second ok. If a person wanted to upgrade to vista and is planning to upgrade there pc hardware, and it's only common sense to buy vista compatible parts. I think the reason why people are having so many troubles with their pc's that run vista is because pc manufacturers say that there pcs are compatible, but really there not. The company's are using old hardware and installing vista just to get rid of there old stock.

That's the one reason why I build my own computers and not buy off the self pc's just for that reason. I agree with you 100% on what you said about stores equipping pcs with celerons and yes they should be ashamed of themselves. In the real world common sence is an uncommon virtue because nobody uses it anymore. They just wanna make a fast buck and thats it.

That my opinion and if anyone disagree then that ok too. Have a great day and take care.

bluray-c-us

[tomdkat]

I don't know if I agree with the "common sense" commentary but I do certainly agree that PC OEMs who sell machines with the absolute bare minimum of hardware that is technically capable of running Vista are really doing their unknowing customers a disservice, at the very least.

I do agree consumers need to be more aware of what they are buying but at the same time I don't think they need to become computer experts just to buy a machine that should perform at some decent level, at the very least.

Peace...

[dnbtom]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I guess in this case, one could get a Mac instead.

Peace...

Oh dear.. lol.

[jakearoo1jak]

I got Home Premium 64bit today...im actually surprised at how awesome it is. The only problem im experiencing with it is this driver problem (see my other thread).
So if you're reading this and considering not buying Vista, go ahead and buy it! You'll love it like I do!

[thrash50]

Originally Posted by jakearoo1jak

1. YOU DON'T NEED IT.
Windows Vista does almost nothing except add a few extra programs than XP and make it stylish. Sure, some games need Vista to play on. But you can always --> legally <-- download an XP patch.

2. WASTE OF MONEY.
Most Microsoft nerds will be drawn into its gravitational pull and loose their valuble money on a program that is almost the same as their current O.S.

3. EXPENSIVE.
It costs $200 for the cheapest Vista pack. You could buy two (maybe three) "Vista only" compatible games for that price and put them on XP and patch them.

4. UPGRADE.
If you have an older machine, you'll need to spend more money on an upgrade to make it compatible on your computer.

5. DRIVER SUPPORT.
Key hardware like video and sound is crippled at the moment: while Nvidia is working furiously to get a stable driver for the 8800 out by the 30th, there's still no SLI support for any of the Nvidia range. And thanks to the removal of hardware accelerated 3D sound in Vista, Creative's popular DirectSound based EAX no longer works at all, muting this feature for just about all gaming titles on the market today. Creative is in the process of coding a layer for its drivers to translate EAX calls to the OpenAL API which is seperate from Vista, but going by past experience with Creative drivers we won't see these any time soon.

6. OLDER PROGRAMS.
Most older programs won't run on Vista, like anti-viruses, Nero and Sophos. Firefox has issues with Vista too.

7. MALICIOUS PROGRAMS.
Vista is new and untested, making it a perfect target for those nerdy comb-over-glasses-wearing-hackers who spend endless days exploiting Microsoft security holes. XP on the other hand has been patched to prevent malicious programs. And along with the fact that some anti-virus programs wont work on Vista, then Vista is a perfect virus target.

Please feel free to comment on this, and please think twice before you spend 20000 cents (makes it look like a bigger number) on Vista when you could be buying games, consoles or even sporting equipment so you can get away from your computer desk and out into the great, bland and non-high-tech outdoors.

I agree, Vista probably won't have bugs worked out for 2-3 years, and next MS operating system will be ready by then. Careful when you shop for new computer, some manufacturers make it extremely difficult to downgrade Vista to windows xp.

[Linche]

I bought a new Dell last March and it came with Vista.

WORST MISTAKE OF MY LIFE!

Big problems right out of the box and I bugged Dell for NINE months before I gave up. Not one single problem was ever fixed. Not even ONE!

Today I checked Microsoft "Problems and Solutions" and it says I have 135 problems. I'd be really interested if anyone here is running Vista and could check their computer to see how many problems it lists for them.

(Oh, and, lol, by the way - they came up with ONE "solution" - and that was to go to the programs website and look in their "Help" section.

I'd laugh if I wasn't already crying over this, lol.


PS: I've decided to try and hire someone to get this system as "straightened out" as is humanly possible. Does anyone know what "job title" I should be looking for locally? "Computer repair" gave me a long list but each person's details seemed to indicate they repaired hardware and that's not what I'm looking for.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Linche

[thrash50]

I've got Vista working decent, by searching " Vista optimization" online.

One of the sites I liked was http://members.rushmore.com/~jsky/id36.html

135 problems huh? Alot of them are probably stuff you don't wan to run.

Any one with a job title to fix vista, will probably want you to set your computer the way Microsoft wants.

Some forums are saying service pack 1 will be out this month. I've turned off auto updates, and when I do update, I'll do so very carefully, it took awhile to adjust Vista

[JohnWill]

If you actually look at the "problem" report, you'll find most of them are nothing. Almost all of the ones on my Vista machine are things that would have been logged in the System Event Log on XP, Vista just gives you a more convenient way to look at them.

Frankly, this is a totally bogus indication of the quality of the O/S.

[bluraycus]

The only problems I have with vista is slow start ups and slow shutdowns. Other than that vista run good on my laptop.

[charles7514]

Originally Posted by tomdkat

I don't know if I agree with the "common sense" commentary but I do certainly agree that PC OEMs who sell machines with the absolute bare minimum of hardware that is technically capable of running Vista are really doing their unknowing customers a disservice, at the very least.

I do agree consumers need to be more aware of what they are buying but at the same time I don't think they need to become computer experts just to buy a machine that should perform at some decent level, at the very least.

Peace...

Totally agree, before I bought my new system, went to alot of different stores, checking all of the major companies. Talked with people that has bought these machines with Vista. Had a pc built with XP with all the hardware necessary to run Vista, when it does become stable. Saved myself headaches and a few bucks in the long run, I hope!
Might want to add, this site helped me more than any of the stores!

[simpswr]

Just for perspective . .

Had a call from a client yesterday. . She said she had installed a windows update and her machine was really slow . . I went to check it out, started it up . . Vista! . . the Windows Update she installed was Vista! from a disc her school sells to Teachers very cheap. ( $15 for Vista Business )

I asked her what she did . . said she just put the disc in and followed the instructions. She already had figured out Windows Mail. Everything was working fine, just butt ugly slow.

It's a Dell . . 2.4 Pentium with 512MB RAM . . I put in 2 Gig and it runs ike a top. I was flabergasted that this 50 year old school teacher installed Vista on an older machine with no problems ( other than the slowness )

[JohnWill]

That's pretty amazing! I agree that a gig is probably the minimum for a decent running Vista system.

[RedHelix]

I actually sort of like Vista. I installed my Intel-supplied copy of Ultimate last month when I nuked my XP partition (whoops.)

UAC is annoying but a Windows equivalent to SUDO was long overdue. And you can disable it in like two seconds if it's really getting under your skin.

The Problem Center is actually an immensely useful tool and actually works the way it's supposed to, which saves me a lot of aggravation.

Two examples:
-I have an ATI TV Wonder Pro 200 that I've been using since early '07. I installed Vista and was perplexed as to why it didn't work. I checked the Problem Center, and a full description of my card and why it didn't work was right there. (ATI hasn't released Vista drivers like they advertised they would. It also gave me an email address for ATI support.)
-I play around with my Motorola U6 Pebl a lot. Disinclined to go find p2k drivers for it, I plugged it into my Vista box just to see what would happen. Windows Update didn't find a driver, but the Problem Center directed me to the motodev site that supplies the official Motorola Vista driver for the phone. Great! And bear in mind, the PEBL is not a common Moto phone like the RAZR. I had no initial expectation of this working.

And yeah, Aero is pretty lousy compared to Beryl on Linux. But it's fine, the added functionality Vista offers is what makes it worth running to me, not the interface. It runs flawlessly on my hardware, which is pretty modest:

Athlon64 3700+ (Socket 754!)
Asus K8N-VM
2GB Corsair
BFG 7900GT

[JohnWill]

I just stuck a Bluetooth adapter into my machine and told Vista to find the drivers. After a search for a few minutes, they popped up the problem resolution and their suggestion was 100% correct. I was somewhat surprised.

[tomdkat]

Originally Posted by JohnWill

I just stuck a Bluetooth adapter into my machine and told Vista to find the drivers. After a search for a few minutes, they popped up the problem resolution and their suggestion was 100% correct. I was somewhat surprised.

It's funny you mention this since I did the same thing on a Sony Vaio laptop I was working on. I stuck in a BTC USB 2.0 bluetooth adapter and it downloaded something,I think, and then I was presented with a message about a "Toshiba stack for Windows" being expired and I had to buy it to continue using it. Of course, this was the first time I stuck that adapter into this laptop. So, I wasn't able to get my adapter working with Vista on that laptop but that's no big deal since it was just a quick test. The adapter works fine on XP (after installing the drivers from CD) and with Linux (after enabling the bluetooth daemon).

Peace...