[Stoner]

I don't see your logic, New Tech Guy.
I'm not a Vista hater,I just don't see a need for it at this time.
'Because it works fine' doesn't sell me, I already have XP Home SP2 and XPmce2005 SP2 running fine and they do all that needs to be done.
I have no security issues.
I even have Win2k running flawlessly on an offline computer.

Why should I upgrade now, at this time?

[JohnWill]

There are not many good reasons to rush out and spend money on Vista if you already have a working XP environment. However, many new computers only come with Vista, and there's also not many good reasons for spending more money to downgrade them to XP.

[new tech guy]

Hi stoner, all i am trying to say is that this whole bit about vista being a pain i beleive is overrated hype. I do think that people with existing computers should wait until their next machine purchase before upgrading. And since i have had vista since it was first launched on my laptop, i have watched alot of previous issues it had be repaired and the OS overall has been running better and better. Im not a vista nor xp hater as well as i have an older desktop in my basement running windows xp professional sp2, and i think it is a very stable, mature operating system.
What i was also stating in my previous post is that i remember back when xp came out and everyone was grumbling about xp and today it is the favorite os. The "Fisher Price" comment i remember hearing on "The Screen Savers" when it first came out and i beleive they had Kevin talking about it. Also i remember everyone thinking that interface was such a strain on the pc recources. However, today one could just go throw xp on any computer and run perfectly fine. I just think the same will happen with vista. Everyone will gripe over it and when they switch, there gonna like it just as much as they love winxp.

[Kenny94]

I have Windows Vista on this Acer (5920) Laptop, but I had no choice when I purchase it.. As John mention "many new computers only come with Vista" Here's the problem with Vista I found. Is the hardware! I have a flat bed Canon scanner (N1220u) that I love. And there's NO drivers for Vista! I Google this for days and try everything. I had to go with VueScan for now and might need to paid 39.95. My point being is the hardware Issues with Vista....

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by JohnWill

There are not many good reasons to rush out and spend money on Vista if you already have a working XP environment. However, many new computers only come with Vista, and there's also not many good reasons for spending more money to downgrade them to XP.

I can see that point.

[Stoner]

Originally Posted by new tech guy

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What i was also stating in my previous post is that i remember back when xp came out and everyone was grumbling about xp and today it is the favorite os. The "Fisher Price" comment i remember hearing on "The Screen Savers" when it first came out and i beleive they had Kevin talking about it. Also i remember everyone thinking that interface was such a strain on the pc recources. However, today one could just go throw xp on any computer and run perfectly fine. I just think the same will happen with vista. Everyone will gripe over it and when they switch, there gonna like it just as much as they love winxp.

I jumped in early with XP, so I remember the hassles.
I bought my last computer just before Vista came out, and most of the bugs were gone with SP2.
Vista will probably be similar.
As Vista goes out, maybe I'll treat myself to a new computer again

[new tech guy]

I have to agree there stoner, just like xp once bugs are worked out of vista the rest of the world will migrate and love it just like they love xp now.

[IC8]

Originally Posted by idar

As far as I can tell, purely from a users poing of view, there really haven't been that many changes in the OS since 95.

2K, XP, Vista are all build on NT technology, Windows 1,2,3,95,98,ME are not, so a major change DID take place for Windows users when they switched to an NT based OS.

[Conne'isseur]

I heard that vista bundles software, making it almost impossible to take the crap out that you don't want. I also heard from a reliable source that it is intrusive as well. Any thoughts?

[simpswr]

Vista does not bundle software . . many of the larger OEM's do but it is not any more difficult to uninstall with Vista than with XP

[Conne'isseur]

So what about Vista's overly intrusive and disruptive User Account Control feature and its digital restrictions management?

[simpswr]

UAC is easy to turn off or change it's behavior . . digital restirctions management is not an issue for me

[Conne'isseur]

It may not be now, but does it not even mildly disturb you that Microsoft can look at you files and restrict you from even getting on your own computer if it finds a file it does not like? I mean, who do they think they are?

[good grief]

Conne'isseur

What files does Microsoft look at on your computer? I can't think of any they look at on mine, nor have I been restricted from accessing anything on my computer. The idea behind UAC is not to prevent you from accessing things, but to prevent others from doing so, perhaps on a network if you have one, or preventing malicious software from wreaking havoc. There are some good links in the top post in this thread here, well worth reading to increase understanding of what UAC is and does:

http://forums.techguy.org/windows-vi...-uac-poll.html

Also, be aware that if you are using IE7 as your browser and choose to turn UAC off, that the Internet protected mode will be off regardless of what it says in Internet Options.

[ryder81]

Why 7? I'll give you 10 GOOD reasons not to buy Vista..

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's no need to yet either.

2. Cost $$ -- It's so blindingly obvious, most people will be blinded to it. You already have XP, and alternatives like Linux are free. If you really want to throw money away, go give it to a local charity.

3. On that note, it's outrageously overpriced -- at least in Australia. As revealed in the current APC, even after taking into account the profit margin Microsoft Australia previously applied to XP (as well as exchange rates, as you would expect), Australians are paying hundreds of dollars more for their copies than in the US. In fact, it's cheaper for Australians to buy Vista direct by mail order from the States. If you think Microsoft Australia is reaming us, vote with your wallet.

4. Upgrading hardware -- XP was demanding at release, but Vista more so. If you have an older machine that struggles with XP at the best of times, Vista is out of your ballpark unless you spend even more money to upgrade. If this is you, see point 1.

5. Driver support -- Key hardware like video and sound is crippled at the moment -- while Nvidia is working furiously to get a stable driver for the 8800 out by the 30th, there's still no SLI support for any of the Nvidia range. And thanks to the removal of hardware accelerated 3D sound in Vista, Creative's popular DirectSound based EAX no longer works at all, muting this feature for just about all gaming titles on the market today. Creative is in the process of coding a layer for its drivers to translate EAX calls to the OpenAL API which is seperate from Vista, but going by past experience with Creative drivers we won't see these any time soon.

6. Applications that don't work -- there's been plenty of coverage about applications that won't work without a vendor update. These include anti-virus, backup and security software such as those from Symantec, Sophos and ilk; CD and DVD burning tools like the suite from Nero need updated versions to work; and even basic disk management and partitioning tools such as Paragon's Hard Disk Manager are awaiting an update for Vista to be compatible. How many more will fail as Vista enters mainstream? Even Firefox has issues with Vista.

7. It's a big fat target -- with a new and untested in the global wild architecture, virus and malware authors are going to work overtime exploiting the holes Microsoft missed. In fact it's already happening. Loath though I am to use the word 'security' and 'Windows' in the same sentence, Windows XP has at least been patched to the hilt and can be used with a plethora of reasonably effective security tools that work now, without waiting for an update down the track.

8. UAC -- Oh yes, the Microsoft solution for an operating system where mutli-user was an afterthought. Sure, you can disable it, but the OS then makes it clear then that the onus is on the user for any damaging programs that got to run with permissions, rather than with Windows in the first place. If you do have it on, it is going to annoy the hell out of you. It pops up far too frequently, and even on a fast PC, the UAC screen takes too long to come up and disappear.

9. DRM -- And to a lesser degree TPM -- were made for the RIAAs and MPAAs of this world, and the even tighter integration of copy protection mechanisms and 'Windows Rights Management' into vista are nothing more than a liability to you, the user. This ComputerWorld piece says is succinctly: 'it's hard to sing the praises of technology designed to make life harder for its users.' As for TPM, this short animated video shows just how far the rabbit hole goes. And to think you pay for the privilege of having the use of media you purchased and own dictated by third parties, even on your own system.

10. The draconian license -- somehow, Microsoft has forgotten that it built its business from products that empowered its customers, not hampered them. Of course, we forget that Microsoft's customers aren't you and I, afterall (see point 9). Aside from the backward thinking that is licensing, and not actually owning, your software new terms with Vista include being able to transfer the license only once; half the limit compared to XP for Home Basic and Premium on how many machines can connect to yours for sharing, printing and accessing the Internet; limits on the number of devices that can use Vista's Media Center features; activation and validation governing your ability to upgrade hardware and use Windows itself; and outlawing the use of Home Basic and Premium with virtualisation software, and Ultimate only if DRM enabled content and applications aren't used. But then again, who reads these anyway?

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