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12-Mar-2008, 10:12 AM #76
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Why 7? I'll give you 10 GOOD reasons not to buy Vista..

1. You don't actually need it -- No, think about this. Vista doesn't do anything you can't already do with XP. About the only significant shift requiring Vista is DirextX10, but as no titles support it yet and, according to John Carmack (the godfather of modern gaming) there's no need to yet either.

You did not need XP . . or Windows 98 . .

2. Cost $$ -- It's so blindingly obvious, most people will be blinded to it. You already have XP, and alternatives like Linux are free. If you really want to throw money away, go give it to a local charity.

And that is different from XP in what way?

3. On that note, it's outrageously overpriced -- at least in Australia. As revealed in the current APC, even after taking into account the profit margin Microsoft Australia previously applied to XP (as well as exchange rates, as you would expect), Australians are paying hundreds of dollars more for their copies than in the US. In fact, it's cheaper for Australians to buy Vista direct by mail order from the States. If you think Microsoft Australia is reaming us, vote with your wallet.

Most versions are actually cheaper or the same cost as the XP Equivelents


4. Upgrading hardware -- XP was demanding at release, but Vista more so. If you have an older machine that struggles with XP at the best of times, Vista is out of your ballpark unless you spend even more money to upgrade. If this is you, see point 1.

I had to add memory for XP . . cost me about $100 for 512 . . I had to add Memory for Vista . . cost me about $100 for 2 Gig . . what's the complaint?
5. Driver support -- Key hardware like video and sound is crippled at the moment -- while Nvidia is working furiously to get a stable driver for the 8800 out by the 30th, there's still no SLI support for any of the Nvidia range. And thanks to the removal of hardware accelerated 3D sound in Vista, Creative's popular DirectSound based EAX no longer works at all, muting this feature for just about all gaming titles on the market today. Creative is in the process of coding a layer for its drivers to translate EAX calls to the OpenAL API which is seperate from Vista, but going by past experience with Creative drivers we won't see these any time soon.

The same issues when XP first came out . .

6. Applications that don't work -- there's been plenty of coverage about applications that won't work without a vendor update. These include anti-virus, backup and security software such as those from Symantec, Sophos and ilk; CD and DVD burning tools like the suite from Nero need updated versions to work; and even basic disk management and partitioning tools such as Paragon's Hard Disk Manager are awaiting an update for Vista to be compatible. How many more will fail as Vista enters mainstream? Even Firefox has issues with Vista.

Same issues when XP first came out . .

7. It's a big fat target -- with a new and untested in the global wild architecture, virus and malware authors are going to work overtime exploiting the holes Microsoft missed. In fact it's already happening. Loath though I am to use the word 'security' and 'Windows' in the same sentence, Windows XP has at least been patched to the hilt and can be used with a plethora of reasonably effective security tools that work now, without waiting for an update down the track.

And that is different from the original XP in what respect???

8. UAC -- Oh yes, the Microsoft solution for an operating system where mutli-user was an afterthought. Sure, you can disable it, but the OS then makes it clear then that the onus is on the user for any damaging programs that got to run with permissions, rather than with Windows in the first place. If you do have it on, it is going to annoy the hell out of you. It pops up far too frequently, and even on a fast PC, the UAC screen takes too long to come up and disappear.

How is this different from XP???

9. DRM -- And to a lesser degree TPM -- were made for the RIAAs and MPAAs of this world, and the even tighter integration of copy protection mechanisms and 'Windows Rights Management' into vista are nothing more than a liability to you, the user. This ComputerWorld piece says is succinctly: 'it's hard to sing the praises of technology designed to make life harder for its users.' As for TPM, this short animated video shows just how far the rabbit hole goes. And to think you pay for the privilege of having the use of media you purchased and own dictated by third parties, even on your own system.

A non issue for me ( and most users )

10. The draconian license -- somehow, Microsoft has forgotten that it built its business from products that empowered its customers, not hampered them. Of course, we forget that Microsoft's customers aren't you and I, afterall (see point 9). Aside from the backward thinking that is licensing, and not actually owning, your software new terms with Vista include being able to transfer the license only once; half the limit compared to XP for Home Basic and Premium on how many machines can connect to yours for sharing, printing and accessing the Internet; limits on the number of devices that can use Vista's Media Center features; activation and validation governing your ability to upgrade hardware and use Windows itself; and outlawing the use of Home Basic and Premium with virtualisation software, and Ultimate only if DRM enabled content and applications aren't used. But then again, who reads these anyway?

..................... The End!
Doubtfull . . too many have forgotten the problems when XP first came out . . to say nothing of Windows 95 . . . the horror!!!

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12-Mar-2008, 10:55 AM #77
On a positive note, Vista has voice recognition and from the limited response so far, at TSG , it sounds pretty decent.
As I use voice recognition, DNS9, Vista becomes of interest.
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12-Mar-2008, 11:02 AM #78
The voice recognition is pretty solid. It's the same program that the SYNC uses, and I have yet to experience problems with it.
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12-Mar-2008, 12:08 PM #79
Hmm.. What can i say more? Its up to the individuals.. Thats jus some peoples opinions..
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12-Mar-2008, 12:21 PM #80
By An Expert:

In a study conducted by Dutch Consumers’ Union on the problems experienced by Vista users, it concluded that “Vista is not yet a sufficient replacement for Windows XP” and recommended to consumers to consider alternative operating system.

According to OS News, the conclusion was drawn after the union did a 4 week investigation, where it received some 4,200 consumer complaints on Windows Vista. Most of the complaints revolved around application and peripheral hardware compatibility issues.

With its conclusion, the Consumers’ Union advises its consumers to validate their applications and meticulously inspect their current hardware together with the peripherals before moving to Vista.

In addition, the union has recommended to the consumers to look out for alternatives such as Mac OS X and Ubuntu Linux.



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12-Mar-2008, 02:50 PM #81
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Do you have a link to this article about the Dutch Consumers' Union report please?
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12-Mar-2008, 08:09 PM #82
As far as to the idea that vista uses the DRM for your protection is a bunch of nonsense. Tell that to the over 500,00 people who got locked out of their computer because they had files that microsoft did not like. That is a fact.
Here is a excerpt from some educated persons: When you install Vista, Microsoft claims that you consent to being spied upon, through the "Windows Genuine Advantage" system. This system tries to identify instances of copying that Microsoft thinks are illegitimate. This system includes a "kill switch" which allows Microsoft to remotely deactivate your copy of Vista. This deactivation, whether deliberate or by accident -- as has been the case in some 500,000 cases already according to a study last year -- locks you out of your computer, and forces you to contact Microsoft to get access to your files.

While they may have now ostensibly removed the kill switch from Vista, they have not updated the hostile license they say you must agree to in order to use Vista. Vista still restricts your freedom, because freedom at the whim of someone else is not freedom.

Along with this one: Word is out that Windows Vista Service Pack 1 is in Beta mode. Reviewers mention that it is relatively unchanged, i.e., it is still running as a giant piece of proprietary malware, but, that it is running a little bit faster (one report takes a shot at it claiming that it is almost as fast as Windows 98). Unfortunately, Service Pack 1 still leaves Vista designed to restrict what users can do with their software.

Finally: Well, if Microsoft understands that a person wants to decide to install their own updates, then they should be respectful of that user's choice and be consistent with their policy. Being consistent means that they should tell the user that an update to Windows Update is available and that if they want it to continue to work properly, that this update should be installed. Maybe the user will decide to stop using Windows Update altogether, or maybe they will install the update. Either way, it should be the user that decides, not Microsoft.

However, this should come as no surprise. There is other evidence that these types of policies apply to other pieces of Microsoft software as well, including Windows Defender. In the End-User License Agreement for Windows Vista it states that after searching your computer for software, if Defender finds any "potentially unwanted software rated 'high' or 'severe,' [it] will automatically be removed after scanning unless you change the default setting." Where "high" and "severe," are undefined terms, and where the default behavior is to delete the software (instead of just quarantining the software and asking the user if they want to delete it). It gets worse. Later on in the same section they warn you that Defender may remove or disable software that is "not potentially unwanted software." In layman's terms, "not potentially unwanted software," is also known as "your software."

At least Microsoft stays consistent with one policy: keep the user confused and unclear on all policies.
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If all that HS bothers you . . I'd stay with Linux
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Here is a excerpt from some educated persons: When you install Vista, Microsoft claims that you consent to being spied upon, through the "Windows Genuine Advantage" system. This system tries to identify instances of copying that Microsoft thinks are illegitimate. This system includes a "kill switch" which allows Microsoft to remotely deactivate your copy of Vista. This deactivation, whether deliberate or by accident -- as has been the case in some 500,000 cases already according to a study last year -- locks you out of your computer, and forces you to contact Microsoft to get access to your files.
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How about a source for that claim.
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Sullivan's credibility as an unbiased source is rather stretched as he's the operations manager at Free Software Foundation, http://www.fsf.org/.
http://www.gnu.org/people/speakers.html#Sullivan
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# Choosing free software over Microsoft Windows Vista, and the FSF's BadVista.org campaign
# How you can help: Strategies for communicating and organizing around free software ideals
# Why software should be free
# Introduction to the GPLv3 and free software licensing
# FSF/GNU high-priority free software projects
I imagine he hated XP just as much because it's not 'free'.
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That still does not change the facts.
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That still does not change the facts.
What facts?
I don't even see anything about the request I made.
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Wikipedia seems to have an interesting take on Genuine Advantage:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage
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I noticed that you said that he is biased, but I guess microsoft is not when they are explaining their garbage program. Your quite selective aren't you? Why don't you apply your same line of reasoning to microsoft? Are they not biased? In fact the real question is who is more biased? A company that stands to make millions, or some guy who want to help keep freedom? Who stands to gain what? Anyone with common sense knows to follow the money. It must be really convenient for you to request this, but not apply it equally across the board. That type of reasoning really discredits you.

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